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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2022, 02:58:38 pm »
A route north on Wednesday sounds like it's in order, with a mid-afternoon stop and split.
I wonder if anyone is working on that?

I'm working on that!

I'm making us a route that goes north west and will endeavour to share it this weekend.
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2022, 04:56:08 pm »
Well done that man. Have two house points for endeavour  ;D

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2022, 11:23:22 am »
Keep the sun just over your right shoulder all day and you'll do a nice circuit in the rght direction! ;)

Well David, it all depends on which direction you are facing when you put the sun over your right shoulder and what time of day it is when you start.

Now, which way was north again?

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2022, 04:35:45 pm »
Here's my North Wales Junket
GPX File being re-worked and will be pinned to top post, brb!
A full day trip roughly based on my ride up to Snowdon in May. Mostly A and B roads, I believe no single-tracks, or at least no tufty bits in't middle of 'em. Includes a stop in Mac mid-morning for coffee and not cake, lunch at Aber Falls distillery, a café next to Bala lake on the way back. Longest stint between petrol is ~120 miles so shout up if you're bringing an MT-10 (by which I mean bring a jerry can).




I'll upload the GPX once I decide where to upload it. And you know, we agree it's a contender.

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2022, 06:59:17 pm »
>And you know, we agree it's a contender.

It's a contender if Mac means Machynllech and not Maccy D.  ;D

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2022, 07:10:58 pm »
If I knew a way to make McDonald's leave our country short of our country invading another, then I would do it.

Machynlleth!
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2022, 08:14:46 pm »
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Now, which way was north again?

You could use a compass. But I bet your question originated from you having too much trouble correcting a compass' magnetic heading to true North. Indeed, the more North you're located, the bigger that correction gets : too much trouble.

So I suggest the time-based method : quite a lot simpler !

The Bryncelyn Guesthouse's exit is located at 52°06'27.1"N 3°38'20.1"W, or in decimals : 52.107519N, 3.638926W.

In Greenwich, in the summer, the sun is right in the East at 6 o'clock UTC, so 7 o'clock UK local time. The sun moves 360° in 24 hours, so 15° per hour, so 1° every 4 minutes. So at Bruncelyn's exit, the sun is exactly East 3.638926 (in decimals) degrees later, which is exactly 3.638926 x 4 minutes, or 14,555704 minutes, or 14 minutes and 33 seconds later.

All this together means that at Bryncelyn's exit, the sun is exactly East at 7 hr 14 minutes and 33 seconds in the morning. But you asked where North was, not East, so there's some more to it ...

At that calculated time, look straight into the sun, and then look left in a perfect 90° angle : the direction then pointed at by your nose, thát's where true North is  8)

(hope for a clear sky !)
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2022, 08:53:46 pm »
Well that's all well and good but what if the Earth and Mars swapped places tomorrow?
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2022, 09:01:39 pm »
Well that's all well and good but what if the Earth and Mars swapped places tomorrow?

Then you'd use the compass anyway, and make that yearly-changing magnetic deviation correction, of course.
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2022, 09:02:44 pm »
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Now, which way was north again?

You could use a compass. But I bet your question originated from you having too much trouble correcting a compass' magnetic heading to true North. Indeed, the more North you're located, the bigger that correction gets : too much trouble.

So I suggest the time-based method : quite a lot simpler !

The Bryncelyn Guesthouse's exit is located at 52°06'27.1"N 3°38'20.1"W, or in decimals : 52.107519N, 3.638926W.

In Greenwich, in the summer, the sun is right in the East at 6 o'clock UTC, so 7 o'clock UK local time. The sun moves 360° in 24 hours, so 15° per hour, so 1° every 4 minutes. So at Bruncelyn's exit, the sun is exactly East 3.638926 (in decimals) degrees later, which is exactly 3.638926 x 4 minutes, or 14,555704 minutes, or 14 minutes and 33 seconds later.

All this together means that at Bryncelyn's exit, the sun is exactly East at 7 hr 14 minutes and 33 seconds in the morning. But you asked where North was, not East, so there's some more to it ...

At that calculated time, look straight into the sun, and then look left in a perfect 90° angle : the direction then pointed at by your nose, thát's where true North is  8)

(hope for a clear sky !)

Or...

I could just use my sat nag  8)

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2022, 09:10:36 pm »
Or...

I could just use my sat nag  8)

I thought that method was too difficult for you. Sorry for misjudging the situation  :D
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2022, 02:10:30 pm »
After checking the route on my TomTom I've uploaded the GPX to my post above. I'm still trying to get my old BMW Zumo Idiot Nav to talk to my pc to test it on there.
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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2022, 02:23:16 pm »
Here's my North Wales Junket

I'll upload the GPX once I decide where to upload it. And you know, we agree it's a contender.

Looks good at that scale. I'll dig a little deeper later. And well done that man  :)

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2022, 06:39:33 pm »
Oh, here's our bang-up-to-date guidebook.

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Re: Welsh Wramble 2022
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2022, 07:05:20 pm »
Oh, and before I forget, if anyone has bike problems, there's help (very nearly) on the doorstep:

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