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BMW electric prototype
« on: December 11, 2019, 07:58:47 pm »
Plug ugly, but the good news is it's aiming at touring*, not city use. And it hasn't got a high seat / high bars sit-up-and-beg adventure styleee styling (yet):
https://electrek.co/2019/12/11/bmw-unveils-electric-motorcycle-prototype-that-crushes-its-gas-bike-rival/

Also may be of interest, Energica's improved range - enough for a day of careful riding, but not a day's 'enthusiastic' riding. Getting closer though:
https://electrek.co/2019/11/05/new-2020-energica-electric-motorcycle-more-battery/

*EDIT: Just re-read this. Touring?! I meant non-urban. Whatever. A decent distance. You get the idea...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2019, 03:20:59 pm by richtea »

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 08:11:23 pm »
That second one is looking quite nice! Did I miss the price?

BMW yeah, funny looker, I liked how it's a battery from a 2 series!
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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 08:57:21 am »
In the low £20k region + VAT upwards. Still too high for me, but they're getting closer on the spec.

As Trump might say, 'Configurate your Eva Ribelle' here:
https://configurator.energicamotor.com/start/EA

It's quite a nice configuraton page, actually. I love the giant tank bag that blocks the view of the clocks for everyone except those over 6'.

145BHP
21kWh (112 miles high speed use)

Where's the bloody Akra, though?
Ah, lolly stick + megaphone are in the Optional Accessories section.



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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2019, 12:49:16 pm »
Love the approach from Beemer,...raids spare parts bin.  ;D

Energica tho...tidy enough...mid range is pretty much what my k12 gives me anyway  :o
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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 03:32:32 pm »
In the low £20k region + VAT upwards. Still too high for me, but they're getting closer on the spec.

As Trump might say, 'Configurate your Eva Ribelle' here:
https://configurator.energicamotor.com/start/EA

It's quite a nice configuraton page, actually. I love the giant tank bag that blocks the view of the clocks for everyone except those over 6'.

145BHP
21kWh (112 miles high speed use)


Where's the bloody Akra, though?
Ah, lolly stick + megaphone are in the Optional Accessories section.

Ha HA  (112 miles high speed use) that's only 1Hr riding on a Sunday morning, going to be a long long time before they will do what I need out of a bike. 8) 8)
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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2019, 05:57:56 pm »
Maybe not that long at the current rate of battery development.

Taking into account fuel stops and fag breaks and with super fast chargers becoming the norm, it will be well into the realms of useability for most 'normal' riders on a Sunday jaunt. Very few of us in here pootle around but the number of bikes you see doing just that always amazes me. They may be the early-adopters that drive it forward.

And, according to a recent article, the UK now has more charge points than filling stations. Doesn't mean that much when many only have one access point and it takes 30 minutes to charge most cars to 80% whereas you can fill even a huge gas guzzler with an 80 litre tank in less than three minutes and most stations have 6 or more double-sided pumps.

But, within our riding lifetimes?

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2019, 06:23:58 pm »
But, within our riding lifetimes?

In Matt's lifetime - yes.
The jury is out for the rest of us.  ::)

Right now, there are only a handful of choices - Zero, Energica, Lightning, possibly Harley come to mind as usable bikes.
But give it 5 years and we'll have a decent range of bikes - urban, naked, tourer, adventure.

The Energica charges to 80% in 40mins. Assuming that some of your ride is through towns/villages, we're already in the realms of being able to do a 200-250 mile day ride with an enforced lunchbreak.

The charging infrastructure will arrive - there's money to be made, ergo it will happen.
Expect to pay a chunk to run a green bike, but that's how it is. You may get some of it back through lower maintenance costs.

I, for one, look forward to our electric lizard overlords. Or something.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2019, 04:17:43 pm by richtea »

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2019, 12:42:45 pm »
The big thing is that those of who love the infernal combustion engine for what it is and what it does (lives, breathes and is a miracle of engineering) and have been around for long enough to remember when a Cortina with 40,000 miles on it was almost worthless and needed a rebore and new pistons and rings just to get it to the scrap yard, we have all had the best of the automotive world.

I passed my test in 1964. The roads were quiet and a bike or car would run all week on a quid's worth of fuel and a set of Michelin X tyres would last a million miles but no one ever said they gripped the road. Waterproofs didn't really exist, there was almost no protection apart from a pudding basin helmet, points and regulators let you down at the worst possible time, lights didn't light and in the winter, you could break a leg or flatten the car battery just trying to get the thing to start and only the true petrol head knew how to operate a choke properly if it didn't fire first time. And as for the use of a starting handle...

Today, everything starts first time (hot start issues aside), if you get wet it's your own fault, there is still lots of joy to be had on the right open road at the right time and most modern engines will run well past 100,000miles (200,000 for an oil burner) without needing even so much as a new battery, alternator or starter motor, things that had to be changed every few years back then.

We've gone from 40bhp per litre in the Ford Anglia family saloon to 155(totally reliable)bhp per litre in my similar sized Audi S3 and 136bhp per litre in the K. Those figures weren't even being dreamed off in competition cars back then; Mk 1 Lotus Cortina - 105bhp from 1557cc...

We've gone from an era where everyone could fix their own cars but only the 'specialist' petrol head got big performance figures to an era where no-one understands how the damn things work but everyone can have true performance in even a shopping car.

We've gone from empty roads where everyone would stop to help a stranded motorist or biker to traffic-clogged virtual car parks where no-one can tell if you are broken down because no one is moving.

We've gone from a totally inregulated world where if you could bolt it on and it made it go faster, you only had to decide whether you told your insurance company, to a world where you can't even open the bonnet on some cars and when you can you can't change much without the computer saying 'NO!'.

So, for those of us who grew up lapping-in our cork clutch plates on a piece of broken glass and who could reset our points in the pitch dark of a country lane by touch alone, who went through big valves and side-draught Webers and who now have unheard of performance and reliability built-in at the same price, the impending death knell of the infernal combustion engine is a sad day indeed.

The mind-numbing acceleration from standstill of an electric vehicle is awesome. Awesome but soulless.

It is the ultimate 'automatic' experience. Clutches have remained on bikes for a reason, bikers love the involvement, controlling the variables to get the best from the beast.

With electric bikes, that will all be gone. They will all be twist and go machines, the ultimate expression of Tron.

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2019, 05:59:58 pm »
Well we have 20 years of Petrol Engines left - all sales after 2040 will be banned in the UK, but this may be brought forward  >:(

I sat on the HD Live Wire on their rolling road at the NEC, and it was a fine bike (if you like that sort of styling/riding position). They also had their Streetfighter on display which you coudn't get to but was a very similiar bike to the Live Wire.

Live Wire = £30k with a full charge range of 120 miles. 40 minute fast charge gives another 100 miles. Batteries may or may not loose 20% of their capacity over a few years use?

Streetfighter = around £18k with a range of 120 miles. 3 minutes to fill back up for another 120 miles.

You can get a lot of petrol for £12k!

Not quite there but getting close. On thing that will have to happen at some point is the Government clawing back the tax from petrol on electric vehicles. I can't imagine they will put 80% tax on electic, so we will likely get road charging at some point ie charged for the amount of miles you do  :(

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2019, 09:55:49 am »
To my mind any battery will always have it's limitations. I've always thought the Hydrogen fuel cell was the best way forward in every aspect. Having a drink from an exhaust pipe is cool isn't it?

The other problem of course is where we're going to find all the raw materials to manufacture these batteries? One main item is Cobalt which is becoming rarer by the day. It's unsustainable. This planet has been raped on numerous occasions and I'm glad I'll not be around to see the final destruction. Then of course we have a planet human population explosion, but that's another subject which no one wants to talk about...……………...
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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2019, 12:19:45 pm »
I'm sure we'll have realistically usable electric bikes within the next 10 years. That means 250+ mile range and performance/handling to give IC engined bikes a run for their money in road conditions. We have to go through these "growing pains" as the technology is developed but developed it will be, and quickly.

I'm not worried about an electric bike being "soulless". It won't have the same character as an IC engined bike but I'm sure electric bikes will have their own character. In the way that current sports 1000cc bikes are the same on papaer but different to ride, so to will electric bikes be different. Fun, skill and utility will just be slightly redefined. But all of that needs electric bikes to be more main stream.



.... Then of course we have a planet human population explosion, but that's another subject which no one wants to talk about...……………...

For just about every challenge on the planet, that is the problem! The current "focus" for fixes are just addressing symptoms.
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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2019, 05:39:06 pm »
Not much more than 100 years ago we went from horse drawn carriages to the IC engine and i’ve No doubt the same stuff was trotted out then,electric option is coming on in leaps and bounds,I had my own learning curve when out in our GTD Golf that hardly ever gets used but can do a turn when it has too... and I got a major kicking from a guy in a Teslar... yea yea would it do the same 200 miles down the road!!! But they will in time.

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2019, 09:27:17 am »
The sound of a great engine will be missed. Can you imagine drag racing, hearing just a whine and tyre screech?

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2019, 10:17:08 am »
One thing the Harley Live Wire impressed me with was the engineered in noise - not exactly a 4 cylinder on full chat noise, more of a whine, but it was there. And it "pulses" when its turned on to give it a sort of tickover.

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Re: BMW electric prototype
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2019, 11:54:36 am »
One main item is Cobalt which is becoming rarer by the day. It's unsustainable. This planet has been raped on numerous occasions and I'm glad I'll not be around to see the final destruction.

There was an excellent programme on the haunted fish tank t'other evening about a European study into the effects of cobalt dredging.

Apparently, there are many places on the sea bed where cobalt is just lying around in lumps much like scallops. And, much like the infernal scallop dredgers which desolate the sea bed flora and fauna, 'they' have produced a thing like a small battle tank which is lowered into the water on a crane and then remotely driven around dredging up the lumps of cobalt. Oh, and destroying the sea bed as it goes. The sight of this study vehicle wrecking everything in its path was horrendous.

Then the narrator explained that the real things wouldn't be that big...they would be 100 times bigger!

Quite who the 'they' are wasn't exactly explained but someone intends to deflower the seas just like we have deflowered the land.

As to your final point above Jon, you have a good few decades left in you yet and the way the world is going you may well be around to witness it. I've already booked my table at the venerable restaurant at the end of the universe  8)