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Decisions decisions...
« on: August 18, 2019, 09:49:07 am »
...back after enforced absence and with permission to bike...

Question is what to buy...

The easy choice is a 13S - would prefer the R but can’t afford one... would prefer belt/shaft drive and a weight not more than the S... am ogling a couple of Moto Guzzi... even a Ducati ST4S (yes, chain drive i know...)

I know a few of you have converted to Kwakas but they’re too heavy for me, I’m not dead yet so no Deauville or Pan European for me... hmmmm...

Interested to hear your thoughts gang, and glad to be back...
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2019, 01:01:59 pm »
Welcome (back) to the Madhouse that is EuroKClub!

Now then, your enforced absence has obviously addled your brain; how can the easy choice be a K13S (intercontinental ballistic cruise missile) and one of your options be a Moto Guzzi (barely refined agricultural vehicle of dubious purpose)?

That's like asking for advice about whether to eat an apple or murder your entire family... :-\

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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2019, 02:11:02 pm »
If you're on here asking which bike to buy then I suggest you're mind is already made up and you're just looking to reinforce that decision. None of the other bikes listed get anywhere near the K1300S. It's not just the best of the bunch listed but the second best "do everything" bike ever. Your decision is reinforced!!! ;)

So, what would be the ideal colour for your new K1300S? :D
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2019, 03:44:26 pm »
First thing we'd need to know would be what is your budget for this dream bike and what kg your comfortable with then it's just a matter of whittling it down.  ;)

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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2019, 03:53:08 pm »
First thing we'd need to know would be what is your budget for this dream bike and what kg your comfortable with then it's just a matter of whittling it down.  ;)

True enough... probably up to £5k : weight wise a 13S is as heavy as I would want... i did drop my last one once for no particularly good reason I can remember (think I was over cautious pulling away with the good lady on board... that’s not happening again... 😬)

Would prefer the R but their prices seem to be going up! (Could always nip over and nick Blobby’s I s’pose - he never rides his!)
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2019, 04:05:30 pm »
Here's a few weight stats to ponder Owen all in kerb/wet weight of course.

K1300S 258 KG

K1300R 243 KG

ZZR1400 264 KG

H2 SX 256 KG

Z1000SX 235 KG (This could be the one!)

Moto Guzzi Norge 257 KG

Just general examples of course, not that I'm Kwacker biased.  :)
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2019, 04:22:31 pm »
Here's a few weight stats to ponder Owen all in kerb/wet weight of course.

K1300S 258 KG

K1300R 243 KG

ZZR1400 264 KG

H2 SX 256 KG

Z1000SX 235 KG (This could be the one!)

Moto Guzzi Norge 257 KG

Just general examples of course, not that I'm Kwacker biased.  :)

It's not just the weight that needs to be considered but how that weight is carried. My H2 SX feels substantially lighter than my K1300S yet there's bugger all in the actual numbers.
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2019, 04:54:56 pm »
First thing we'd need to know would be what is your budget for this dream bike and what kg your comfortable with then it's just a matter of whittling it down.  ;)

True enough... probably up to £5k : weight wise a 13S is as heavy as I would want... i did drop my last one once for no particularly good reason I can remember (think I was over cautious pulling away with the good lady on board... that’s not happening again... 😬)

Would prefer the R but their prices seem to be going up! (Could always nip over and nick Blobby’s I s’pose - he never rides his!)

Nice try  ;)
I just got back from me holidays and aim for another trip to London next weekend minus another new tyre bill of course, so that'll be the 3rd time this year..

Ooo I better calm down, I don't wanna be known as a hardened all year biker.. I did that for 30 years commuting to East London in all weathers, them days are very much over.
I was going to take it out today but looking at the sky there's a cloud floating over Ireland that could be threatening to head East  :D

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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2019, 06:14:16 pm »
Hmmmm... I guess the question is : how much of a pain are chains...? I don’t have much time or talent for maintenance, hence the preference for shaft/belt...
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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2019, 08:49:32 am »
Here's a few weight stats to ponder Owen all in kerb/wet weight of course.

K1300S 258 KG

K1300R 243 KG

ZZR1400 264 KG

H2 SX 256 KG

Z1000SX 235 KG (This could be the one!)

Moto Guzzi Norge 257 KG

Just general examples of course, not that I'm Kwacker biased.  :)

It's not just the weight that needs to be considered but how that weight is carried. My H2 SX feels substantially lighter than my K1300S yet there's bugger all in the actual numbers.


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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2019, 01:11:01 pm »
I wonder why there is so much emphasis on weight. Power to weight ratio I can understand, but raw weight?

I can't even lift my 155Kg Honda without a) getting a hernia or b) calling my breakdown service (on a dirt track...).

The very thought of even thinking about lifting the K brings beads of sweat to my trousers.

Your comments about the Gold Thing prove the point amply.

Logic rarely comes into bike-buying decisions (David being one among very few who did the logic job properly) and if it is a 'fun' bike rather than a 'fun-commute-holiday-scratch-shopping' bike then buy the funniest bike you can afford  8)

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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2019, 05:31:43 pm »
Oh i have missed you lot... the weight thing is just about making sure I can manage the buggah and not keep dropping it... reliability the only other thing I forgot... so.. of those bikes listed above... how do they do for reliability.. (ducks!)  >:(
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2019, 06:24:45 pm »
Dropping it is a matter of experience (or rather inexperience) rather than weight.

The K13 is one of only a few bikes I haven't dropped (shouldn't have said that)...

Every time I've dropped a bike it is because of stupidity rather than weight and in the same circumstances even a step-through would probably have gone down. Almost every drop has been at a standstill or walking pace at most and this is the time that the bike and gravity (i.e. the bike's 'weight') always conspire against you.

I can't shove the K around a) like I used to when I were younger and b) like a lot of other riders do.

Hell, I can't even shove the little Honda around that much. How the hell Phillipe pushed his dead and fully loaded K13 at a running pace (that I couldn't manage in just my gear) for almost 2 hundred yards on a pavement on the Wrinklies two years ago I will never fathom.

The difference between dropping a K and dropping something 20Kgs lighter is almost negligible (unless you are underneath it at the time) and amounts to no more than a tank of fuel, so a lighter bike with a full tank etc. etc.

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Re: Decisions decisions...
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2019, 11:21:43 pm »
I'd say seat height is more of a consideration than weight. A jidiot f800gs thing probably weighs less but I'm tippy toes with half my bum off the seat so I assume I'd drop it eight times a week.

I've dropped my k on a hill and managed to pick it up. It's all about getting as much lower back damage as possible I think.

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2019, 09:05:44 am »
Hmmmm.. dark side calling... anyone tried an R1200R...?
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