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Phmode:
...erm, well, maybe not so daft on a motorcycle when ev's are stopping quite agressively in front of you without showing a brake light.

https://youtu.be/U0YW7x9U5TQ

It's long but good. And if you think this stupid stuff is only in the good ole USofA where confusing brake and turn signals seem to be the law, the EU are also in the same pickle. Minute 22 talks about how 'we' have almost got it right, but not quite.

At least the RADAR bit knows the vehicle in front is doing a hard stop without brake lights, even if you don't and it puts you over the bars for not paying attention.

sudolea:
That EU regulation's § 5.2.22.3 he mentions, read "electric regenerative braking systems, which produce a retarding force upon release of the throttle pedal, shall not generate a signal". But it now seems to be modified into "activation of part of the service braking system by ‘selective braking’ or by functions whose primary intention is not to decelerate the vehicle (e.g. slight actuation of the friction brakes to clean the discs) shall not generate a signal". Which doesn't look too strange to me (yes indeed, before, the wording was strange and even dangerous).

Anyhow, I don't recognise that Hyundai's behaviour in my car (it only has one-pedal drive available). I don't know exactly how it works (I tend to think software-determined decelleration-based), but if I decelerate gently, my brake lights don't illuminate. And if I let go my acceleration pedal more eagerly (not necessarily fully released), they do. Once I'm completely stopped, they also illuminate (automatically). So I don't think there's a big difference with "normal" ICE cars...

And by the way : recall these Huyndai's ? Nowadays, there's also something called "Over The Air" (software) updates. Should all be fixable in 1 software update...

Phmode:
As the guy said, the amount of decelleration depends on which of the regenerative modes you have selected. Mode 1 and 2 being virtually unnoticeable but 4 being the dodgy one.

As for a recall, it may be an over the air update but it needs a recall notice to make peeps aware of the need.

As with everything about ev's, almost no one knows exactly how their's works.

Matt:
Ah this is something I was wondering when driving the Kia Niro (same platform underneath, or near enough). I used "iPedal" almost exclusively and did try a few times at night, where I'm sure the brake lights came on. Which makes me wonder whether it was programmed differently for different markets (I was in NZ).

Hmm it's a weird one. Adaptive cruise does light it up. Observation is key then, as ever! Both as a driver and as the audience. Lord I do hope it's just the US market configuration. @black-k1, can you attach a mirror to the back of your new bike and go and find out how yours behaves please? :D

I suppose the trouble with iterating fast on goods that have a decade-plus lifetime is many of these "ah we could have done this better" vehicles will be on the road for a very long time. Ref the headlights issues. Thankfully we're closer to ubiquitous OTA updates for all parts of cars as you say, and can limit the lifetime of many such issues.

I'm always conscious when following eVs though, that they can do some hella 'engine braking'.

More importantly, he's hiding a ponytail back there right?

Phmode:
...and 'hella accelerating' too. On the bike this isn't a problem, but I am noticing more and more a 'my rate of change of speed is greater than yours' mentality of ev drivers when trying to overtake them in the car.

They are not driving fast because, well, no one else does, but they hate being overtaken so they out braaap you (without the braaap bit) when there is an overtake opportunity but then slow down again when there isn't.

People with exceedingly rapid cars who could behave in this way never do because a) with great power comes great responsibility and b) they never drive fast anyway.

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