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Title: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 02:19:19 pm
I have just had a rather exciting conversation with the director of an English carbon fibre company. His company makes a ridiculously affordable carbon front mudguard for the K12/13S. This product is currently out of production due to a defect in the mould they have which produces a slight twist in the finished article. Although most owners would never notice this defect, they are not happy to continue selling them with this twist.

So here's the real twist. This guy has previously owned two K12S's and a K13S and knows the issues of the short mudguard only too well. He is fully aware of the cracking at the top of the rear section on the standard mudguard. He is also fully aware of the market in fender extenders, especially for the K bike.

His company are currently majoring on some non-carbon products which will hopefully be the short term bread and butter of the company.

But here's the thing. He is fully committed to looking into the feasibility of producing an extended carbon front mudguard for the K12/13S; potentially a much neater solution to the rotting radiator problems than using a stick-on extender, which in my case, never did!

So, two questions, firstly, how many of us might be up for an extended front mudguard in great quality English produced carbon fibre?

Secondly, does anyone out there have a 'spare' front mudguard that they can have a play with. Guaranteed no damage and perhaps a discount on any future product into the bargain. If it meant it being a go'er, I offered to buy him a new one but he balked at this offer and would obviously buy his own if this goes ahead.

Brian (who has his name down for the first off the production line so please form an orderly queue behind him)

PS The last thing this guy needs is all 180 members bending his ear, so please, let's keep this in house for the time being.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: chriscanning on January 20, 2016, 03:34:21 pm
Are they all the same?

(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/wing2541/2016-01-20%2015.17.02_zpsuyskdsmk.jpg) (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/wing2541/media/2016-01-20%2015.17.02_zpsuyskdsmk.jpg.html)

(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/wing2541/2016-01-20%2015.17.11_zpsgmlq5bwr.jpg) (http://s64.photobucket.com/user/wing2541/media/2016-01-20%2015.17.11_zpsgmlq5bwr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 03:43:39 pm
Knew I could rely on you Chris  8)

As far as I know all the S models are the same; shame about the GT and R guys!

Are you happy to loan it?

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: chriscanning on January 20, 2016, 03:45:41 pm
I am  :) the bad news I don't want one I'm way too much of a slave to fashion for such things  ::) so wait and see if there are any other offers and if not I'll send it to you,bloody hell it was cold in the loft  :o
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 03:54:03 pm
Ha ha! Funny, I was just up in mine looking for my pond heater, the fishshivering under a blanket of 1/2 inch thick ice!

Rather than send it to me, I'll get in touch with the guy and get his delivery address for you.

If this comes off, you will receive many plaudits and far too many rewards in heaven.

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Expo on January 20, 2016, 04:47:21 pm
Seems like the holy grail you've been seeking all those years Brian. Would like to register my interest in it
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 04:51:52 pm
It's early days but it mit just come off. Your interest is duly registered.

Brian

As an aside, the guy is interested to know how 'long' the new mudguard should be. So, waddayerall think? I reckon as big as if it had a Pyramid Plastics Extenda Fenda fitted. Lemme know!
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: TomL on January 20, 2016, 05:30:57 pm
Put me down for one Brian. Let's hope it goes ahead because I will not be fitting a Fenda Extenda.

A carbon fibre rear hugger would be good at the right price.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 05:48:12 pm
Their currently 'out of stock' stock carbon mudguard retails for less than £100. I reckon a longer one would have more buyers and at, let's say, £125 - £150 should see em flying off the shelves!

Your interest was assumed, but is duly noted!

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: TomL on January 20, 2016, 05:52:27 pm
I'm assuming that it will be strengthened in the area where it tends to flex too much when an extender is fitted.

Not sure if I would prefer a gloss carbon fibre finish or a finish suitable for spraying white.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: fjtwelve on January 20, 2016, 06:21:33 pm
I'd take one
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 07:11:32 pm
According to them, the inherent stiffness in a carbon fibre item would preclude any flexing, which is what causes the cracking.

I guess the market is too small for different finishes so it will be full gloss to match the Ilmberger hugger.

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 07:12:16 pm
I'd take one

Duly noted; I thought you might!

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Greenman on January 20, 2016, 08:03:54 pm
I'm in!
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: richtea on January 20, 2016, 08:15:02 pm
Normally, I hate carbon this and that, but having inherited an Ilmberger hugger I'll make an exception for a decent extended mudguard.
Count me in, Brain, but please could you get an indicative price, to make sure its reasonable.

And do we get some input into the dimensions (length, width at bottom, etc)?
I have a hacked extender which probably does a half-good job, but since I've never ridden it without it, its difficult to gauge what splatters I'd get without it.

We'll need a splatter test  ;D

Re pricing, here are some prices for std length mudguards:

http://www.the-carbon-king.com/Product/TCKBK__and__KCFFMFF3_0140/BMW-K1200S,-K1300S-K1200R-Sport-CARBON-FIBRE-FRONT-MUDGUARD-IN-PLAIN-WEAVE (http://www.the-carbon-king.com/Product/TCKBK__and__KCFFMFF3_0140/BMW-K1200S,-K1300S-K1200R-Sport-CARBON-FIBRE-FRONT-MUDGUARD-IN-PLAIN-WEAVE)
£170, but a slight second.

http://creamcarbon.co.uk/bmw-k1200s-and-k1300s-carbon-front-mudguard-fender.html (http://creamcarbon.co.uk/bmw-k1200s-and-k1300s-carbon-front-mudguard-fender.html)
£99 (sounds too cheap, but who knows)

http://www.vinesmotorradshop.co.uk/product/K1300S_HP_Series_Carbon_front_mudguard_SCFFM (http://www.vinesmotorradshop.co.uk/product/K1300S_HP_Series_Carbon_front_mudguard_SCFFM)
£282.  Ho ho

https://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Shop/Parts.php?T=5&NU=15&M=50&Ct=OM&SbCt=BA_15_50_OM_55 (https://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Shop/Parts.php?T=5&NU=15&M=50&Ct=OM&SbCt=BA_15_50_OM_55)
£215
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 08:19:55 pm
Your interest noted.

The guy is specifically looking for input on dimensions. I have pointed him in the direction of the Pyramid Plastics Extenda Fenda which I think gives good coverage.

All ideas welcome at this stage.

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: raesewell on January 20, 2016, 08:36:52 pm
Make it so it touches the ground and gets worn away for a custom fit  ;D
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 08:40:19 pm
Make it so it touches the ground and gets worn away for a custom fit  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2016, 09:21:38 pm
OK, so anyone else have a 'spare' S front mudguard?
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Duc750 on January 20, 2016, 09:41:50 pm
Keep me posted could look quite good on the sport
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: chriscanning on January 21, 2016, 08:27:49 am
Keep me posted could look quite good on the sport

Should have gone to spec savers  ;)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: chriscanning on January 21, 2016, 08:31:08 am
OK, so anyone else have a 'spare' S front mudguard?

I'll explain Brian informs me that in the process the said mudguard is likely to be ruined so as you can imagine mine which is but brand new and wasn't even on the bike when I bought it with 1600 miles on the clock isn't going to be the sacrifice :)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 21, 2016, 11:40:14 am
....and to be fair to Brian, he was only told when he offered said template up as what would have turned into a sacrifice  :o

Brian (fair, to him, first time for everything he supposes)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 21, 2016, 11:42:17 am
Keep me posted could look quite good on the sport

Will do.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Duc750 on January 21, 2016, 11:56:06 am
there's some pictures that sombody has mocked up of the r sport with different mudguards fitted on one of the yank sites - I think the sport looks quite nice with the s guard on but not so good with the R guard. the sport guard look is somewhere between the 2.

Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: richtea on January 22, 2016, 12:39:57 am
Make it so it touches the ground and gets worn away for a custom fit  ;D

That's the way my, er, 'handcrafted' carbon extender is going - a little scuffing from the tyre.
But full carbon wouldn't flex so much, as noted somewhere above...

I'll measure mine at the weekend.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on January 22, 2016, 08:59:43 am
Put me down for one Brian.
Curently in market mid guards at :
Bestem usa 170 usd also by pirateslair
Carbon king uk 119 puk
Motocomposits foberglass 183 puk
As cycles oem bmw motorrad made by ilmberger 562 usd same part her at dealer 420 euros.
Hornig again by ilmberger 249 euros
Ilmberger 249 euros
Cream carbon uk 99,99 puk best price in net.
Motorworks uk 215 puk
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: NIBS on January 22, 2016, 09:14:32 am
If the donor guard is going to get ruined then there is one on e-bay for £29.99 and is open to offers. A bit ropey but it might be good enough for the development process....and a low initial outlay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-BMW-K-1200-S-K1200S-ABS-K40-FRONT-MUD-GUARD-MUDGUARD-/131539411128?hash=item1ea05c20b8:g:-nEAAOSwHnFVg93T (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-BMW-K-1200-S-K1200S-ABS-K40-FRONT-MUD-GUARD-MUDGUARD-/131539411128?hash=item1ea05c20b8:g:-nEAAOSwHnFVg93T)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: drumwrecker on January 22, 2016, 09:34:51 am
Its now £13.99.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 22, 2016, 11:08:50 am
Your interest noted Costas!

As I don't know specifically what the 'donor' mudguard is going to be used for, I am keeping out of the sourcing process; I have sent the company a long list of available guards on the net.

Whatever they decide to do, it isn't going to be anytime too soon. They have major new product releases on the go which need all their manufacturing capacity. However, I understand they have development capacity to spare. (I hope I wasn't being led up the garden path with the request for a donor guard which they were going to use to straighten out their twisted mould! I doubt it.)

Brian (watch this space)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: lanerider on January 22, 2016, 11:32:55 am
eBay item number:151957947612  this will do the job ?
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: raesewell on January 22, 2016, 12:20:01 pm
eBay item number:151957947612  this will do the job ?
That one is for an R are they the same?
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 22, 2016, 02:47:40 pm
No! I am sure the one for the R Sport is the same though, just not the base R.

Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: JackSnipe on January 22, 2016, 06:37:06 pm
Related to the post but focussing on the GT guard I have a Fenda Extenda on mine and all seems well, is this "Cracking" problem just to do with the S and R Models or more extensive please ?

JS
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 22, 2016, 06:47:08 pm
It is certainly prevalent on the S and is partly to do with the shape of the mudguard at the top of the rear portion just behind the 'forks'.

There is an acute angle in the moulding and flex in the rear portion over rough roads causes stress concentrations which can result in small cracks, sometimes, as is the case with mine, only visible on the inside of the moulding.

Adding an extender only adds to the mass in the wrong place and this causes resonance; some owners (me included) could hear the chirruping of the extender as it 'caressed' the tyre and when mine fell off I sold it pronto!

Brian (...it fell off because he stuck it on with black silicone sealant which turned out to be 'water based', and he wondered how that was supposed to work  :o )
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on January 22, 2016, 08:28:37 pm
GT has deferent front fender and does not face the same air pressure by design.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: JackSnipe on January 22, 2016, 11:29:23 pm
Brian/Costas, Thanks for the info, good luck with the new fenda, sounds a good find.

JS
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Ian Whiffen on January 24, 2016, 08:11:01 pm
I would like one,
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 24, 2016, 09:58:10 pm
Noted Ian.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: TomL on January 24, 2016, 10:39:08 pm
In about 2010 my K1200S had radiator problems caused by blocked cooling air fins. This caused overheating in traffic and when pushing on. Removal of the radiator and cleaning would rectify the problem for about 6,000 miles and then it would have to be done again. In the end I bought a new radiator.

Last rear in the Picos I had problems with the bike overheating again and seeing that it was at about the same mileage as the original radiator I again suspected that the radiator was causing the problem. Turned out that the thermostat was faulty this time.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 24, 2016, 11:21:22 pm
....which is why, being the anal cretin that I am, I always carry a new thermostat when on tour!

Brian (along with a new immobiliser antenna, replacement brake and clutch levers, GS-911, full tool kit, trolley jack, hoist, spare engine and gearbox, tyres, spare fuel [talking of which, ran out again on Saturday morning], etc. etc. etc. )
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: richtea on January 27, 2016, 07:23:50 pm
I'll measure mine at the weekend.

Splatter test results.
Possibly useful if someone can repeat, but without an extender (mine is glued and screwed).

Summary:
- run in the country for 60 mins
- a mix of rural and A roads, some puddles, and fair bit of surface mud/grub
- down to 40mph for rural bits, some short bursts to three figures for the A roads (to try and emulate motorway speeds)
- all the centre ribs get wet except the very top two middle sections. The 3rd and 4th down are only slightly wet.
- even the top two marks showed grub, which I didn't notice prior to cleaning (but they didn't get wet on this run)
- not crap seems to be going through the honeycomb

Extender details:
- Infinity carbon with cut away sides to stop the tyre rubbing
- 13cm long down from OE mudguard
- 12cm wide (but difficult to measure accurately)
- 2cm away from the tyre at rest

Because I used a phone camera there's a bit of fish eye effect going on. The extender really is only 5" long.


Before 1:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1615/24022716284_caeb8e02d6_c.jpg)

Before 2:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1672/24650816015_d52e23b574_c.jpg)

After 30 mins:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1559/24023979413_4ab4b6a317_c.jpg)

After 60 mins:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1708/24650959875_f3ba2be4dc_c.jpg)

Sides splattered:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1643/24022789144_bb0592109e_c.jpg)

Extender showing cut-away sides:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1572/24024088793_7a2b78d93b_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on January 27, 2016, 07:38:41 pm
When I had the pyramid plastics extenda fender had similar results, with only the upper part being protected, the bit is now resting at storage since it create cracs on OEM fender and did not provide acceptable protection. The fender we are looking for has to be designed longer than any existing with the extenda part attached.
I believe that is absolutely necessary for a new design fm scrach since new part should be a significanly longer fenda, only this way it will look good and provide accurate protection.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: black-k1 on January 27, 2016, 07:49:19 pm
I'd like one please! :)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 27, 2016, 10:04:49 pm
I'd like one please! :)

Thought you might David. My new black K13 needs one too!
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 27, 2016, 10:45:43 pm
Richard, were you alone or were you in traffic, following, rather than leading? Really interesting results either way.

I wonder if the turbulance would cause the rubbish to smother the rad.

Brian (who only knows that the bottom corners do get full of shite, just like him)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Expo on January 27, 2016, 11:36:05 pm
Well well well brian very covert way of mentioning your new bike  8). As someone has said before - we want pictures, piccies and photos. Oh and congratulations on your new steed  ;D
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 27, 2016, 11:37:24 pm
There are piccies, lovely little piccies, you just have to keep looking 8)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: black-k1 on January 28, 2016, 05:23:03 am
There are piccies, lovely little piccies, you just have to keep looking 8)

Come on ... give us a clue! :)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on January 28, 2016, 01:23:28 pm
God damn it he changed his photo
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: fjtwelve on January 28, 2016, 01:25:01 pm
Yeah but his script still says he has a 2004 K12. Obviously been reading up on the Chinese water torture drip drip drip routine
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: markw996 on January 28, 2016, 02:57:10 pm
Is this front mudguard flexing a major issue?

I'm new to my K1300S and the extender that was fitted appears to have made a bid for freedom some time in the past.

I've just bought a replacement carbon (infinite) extender which is on it's way from Spain.... then I came across this thread.

Before I stick it on, I am now wondering whether to reinforce the oem mudguard with fibreglass on the underside, possibly also to hold the externder on aswell.

Any thoughts? (apart from.. don't be so bloody tight and put your name down on a carbon mudguard!) :)

Mark.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 28, 2016, 03:32:52 pm
There are piccies, lovely little piccies, you just have to keep looking 8)

Come on ... give us a clue! :)

Well, it is Black. Away from home at the mo' so will have to wait for more piccies.

Late 2012, 7,500 miles, FBMWSH (by Rainbow in Sheffield), one owner who had it on PCP. Like yours it has the full Ventureshield treatment from new and all the on-board toys.

It doesn't have luggage (which is en-route from Chermany along with a centre stand) and I have an Ilmberger hugger waiting to go on together with the rear splash guard. It has a carbon extender which is badly worn at the bottom from touching the tyre; hopefully this has a limited life but it seems to do the job.

Talking of tyres it is on reasonable Metzeler M8's which will have to do for the summer.

The Powerbronze screen is interesting, taller in the centre than my MRA db, which chucked most of the crap on yesterday's roads over my head.

Brian (who thought he didn't need the Helibars, Grip Puppies or raised seat when he left the frozen north yesterday, but who had changed his mind by the time he came off the M1 so Grip Puppies went on as soon as I got home, the rest will have to wait)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 28, 2016, 03:36:06 pm
Yeah but his script still says he has a 2004 K12. Obviously been reading up on the Chinese water torture drip drip drip routine

...that's because he still has a K12S. £90 +vat to get the fairing re-sprayed following the 3M debacle and it is currently on the drive with bits hanging off it pending sale when the warm weather arrives  8)

Brian (who is intrigued by the thickness of the 3M stuff on the new bike compared with the thinness of the 3M stuff on his old bike  :o )
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: fjtwelve on January 28, 2016, 03:50:19 pm
When the warm weather arrives? Strewth its 10 degrees now. What more do you need? According to forecast I'm going to be lucky to see past 5 degrees in Holland next month.... :D
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Perbunan on January 28, 2016, 07:01:56 pm
Looking at the pics of the amount of crap thrown up onto the radiator I reckon only an extended mudguard that almost touches the road would make any difference.
I had a carbon extender on mine when I bought it but got annoyed by it rubbing on the tyre and removed it, as I ride all year round I can't see that there is any difference without it, there still seems to be the same amount of crud thrown up as before. Perhaps one of those mudflaps found on HGV (that look like a door mat)would be a better bet as they are flexible too but maybe not so good on the eye  :-\

Brian, what's a rear splash guard look like, and where does it fit?
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 28, 2016, 07:27:25 pm
Go here

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=0508-EUR-08-2012-K40-BMW-K_1300_S_0508,0509_&diagId=77_0114

Look at part 1, part number 46627675424

It fits up behind and above the number plate holder and fills the gap nicely. It is a little fiddly to fit if you have the Sport Case frame fitted as it goes 'behind' that.

It is much more effective at keeping the shite off the back of the bike, keeps number plate, lights and indicators clean and cuts down the crap that gets sucked onto the pillion.

About £20 from your local dealer.

Brian (who thinks it makes the back of the bike look more 'complete' to boot  8) )

PS The Cherman motorrad shop sells the one for the R for £14 plus postage but I don't know if it is the same part.

Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on January 28, 2016, 08:09:59 pm
It's perfect love it
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: richtea on January 28, 2016, 09:55:58 pm
Richard, were you alone or were you in traffic, following, rather than leading? Really interesting results either way.

I wonder if the turbulance would cause the rubbish to smother the rad.

Brian (who only knows that the bottom corners do get full of shite, just like him)

On my own nearly all the way, bar a couple of overtakes & a short trundle into Shakespeare Upon Avon.
So its pure turbulence moving that stuff around. One picture has the splatters up the outside of the fairing.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 28, 2016, 10:17:33 pm
I have always thought that it was the blustering turbulence from vehicles ahead of me that stirred up the shite and threw it at me that caused the cack in the radiator.

Interesting 'test' there Richard.

Brian (who loves a bit of shite, as long as long as no-one is throwing it at him  :o )
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on February 04, 2016, 10:18:44 pm
I have just had a note from Mr Carbon who assures me he has not forgotten about us and is starting work.

I have forwarded the results of Richards 'test' and sent him various dimensions to work with.

More anon, Brian
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: TomL on February 04, 2016, 10:48:04 pm
Hope this works out well.

Can see firms like Ilmberger might end up kicking themselves if it does and not only on the Ks.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on February 05, 2016, 09:50:05 am
Hope manufacturer attempts to copy k13 uper part fender design as much as possible.
Awaiting
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: TomL on February 05, 2016, 02:01:50 pm
You're right there. It needs to be stiff enough, after passing between the wheel holder legs, not to flap about like a standard mudguard does when a Fenda Extenda is fitted. Trouble is the mudguard is only secured on the front section.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on February 05, 2016, 02:02:01 pm
I think it will be an exact copy, just longer at the back.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: markw996 on February 15, 2016, 04:03:41 pm
It needs to be stiff enough, after passing between the wheel holder legs, not to flap about like a standard mudguard does when a Fenda Extenda is fitted. Trouble is the mudguard is only secured on the front section.

I was considering fibreglass to strengthen the standard mudguard rather than go to the expense of a carbon version, especially as the mudguard is only secured at the front.
I wasn't sure fibreglass would stay stuck to the underside though, so instead I have gone with plan B.

The fender extender was very flappy and the way the wheel rotates could snap it off rather than just rubbing, so I decided to hold it away from the tyre by using special cable ties under very light tension. The mudguard feels much more secure and the extender cannot touch the tyre at all now. An added bonus is that I can align the extender perfectly (left to right with millimetre accuracy) as it was a long way out when I first installed it.

Time will tell if it's a permanent fix, I don't see why not as nothing comes close to rubbing one either lock and the cable ties are well clear of the braided hoses etc.

I just thought I'd share in case anyone else is looking for ideas.

(http://www.wiseman122.webspace.virginmedia.com/k1300/P1010693.JPG)

(http://www.wiseman122.webspace.virginmedia.com/k1300/P1010694.JPG)

(http://www.wiseman122.webspace.virginmedia.com/k1300/P1010696.JPG)

(http://www.wiseman122.webspace.virginmedia.com/k1300/P1010698.JPG)

Regards,
Mark W
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on February 15, 2016, 06:06:36 pm
It's a working solution wish had thought of that before my fenda broke.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on February 15, 2016, 07:34:43 pm
Great idea and I applaud you for sharing your workaround!

Brian (who is pinning his bling-fuelled hopes on a longer Carbon mudguard cos he is an idle sod  ::) )
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Post by: chriscanning on February 16, 2016, 08:53:55 am
Hope this works out well.

Can see firms like Ilmberger might end up kicking themselves if it does and not only on the Ks.

They have wised up to it but it's on other bikes they already do one for the XR.
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Post by: Mrcrazyman on April 21, 2016, 09:08:13 am
Hi is there any more news on the proposed Extended Carbon Fibre mudguard. I'm definitely up for one
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Post by: black-k1 on May 15, 2016, 04:40:53 pm
Hi Brian

Any news on the mudguards?

Please can you put me down for 2? I have another Old Git interested.
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Post by: Phmode on May 15, 2016, 04:45:37 pm
Hi Brian

Any news on the mudguards?

Please can you put me down for 2? I have another Old Git interested.

Hi David. I have e-mailed the guy twice now and no response, which is disappointing.

I'm not 'taking orders' as I hadn't 'done a deal' as such so wasn't expecting to get any 'club' discount. However, if we have sufficient interest (and it probably stands at about a dozen or more now) then I am sure we could do a deal on a bulk buy. To be honest, at their original price for the standard style, they were a steal at under £100.

Watch this space.
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Post by: Phmode on July 10, 2016, 10:49:26 am
OK you mudguard and radiator freaks!

Just had an apologetic mail from Mr Carbon Mudguard! Work is hectic and he has just moved house so things that need his attention in the design department have kind of slipped!

However, work has been progressing slowly and he now thinks they should have an initial sample within the next 6-8 weeks and we will be the first to know!

Brian (who is keeping his fingers crossed that the long winter doesn't come before the long mudguard  8) )
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Post by: Costas on July 10, 2016, 10:53:27 pm
That is good news.
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Post by: Expo on July 11, 2016, 02:57:29 pm
Good news Brian. Thanks for the update.
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Post by: NIBS on July 13, 2016, 08:46:56 am
Hi Brian
 
  Without going through the whole thread again this is only for the S models isn't it? The R's have a different front mudguard. If so do you know if there is another version planned for the R?

  Costas do you know if the the S mudguard bolts straight onto the R?
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Post by: Costas on July 13, 2016, 10:17:26 am
They fit.  8)
Reply fm the sunny beach at Sitia Crete. 39dc.
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Post by: OxMan on July 13, 2016, 10:38:14 am
If it fits the 06-08 GT I'd be interested...

Only 30 degrees in StTropez today!!!
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Post by: raesewell on July 13, 2016, 10:48:03 am
If it fits the 06-08 GT I'd be interested...

Only 30 degrees in StTropez today!!!
It doesn't. A decent fender extender is about your only choice.
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Post by: NIBS on July 13, 2016, 01:18:37 pm
Hi Costas

  Thanks for the confirmation.

  I hope you aren't riding round in flip flops and shorts.... What gear do you wear for protection in such a hot environment? 8)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on July 13, 2016, 01:39:54 pm
The front mudguard will fit the S and the R, although there is some doubt about the similarity of the screw holes! You'll need to wade through the thread to find the details but it was discussed previously.

I think that the guard replaces the std guard AND the 'broken leg' bit of plastic that overs the side of the 'forks'! In other words, you end up with an S front end!

I don't know anyone near with an R otherwise we could a comparison!
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Post by: Phmode on July 13, 2016, 01:41:16 pm
Hi Costas

  Thanks for the confirmation.

  I hope you aren't riding round in flip flops and shorts.... What gear do you wear for protection in such a hot environment? 8)

...armoured flip-flops and Draggin Shorts?  8)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on July 14, 2016, 09:21:37 am
Thank God we have a new firm that launched its apparel line last year and it's all made specifically for riders, the owner happens to be a famous rider here. products are made specifically for southern Europe weather conditions.  It's brand name is NORDCUP. And they sale very well as prices are also adopted to current situation, production director is a former RUKA director and quality controler a former DAINESE man, production main facilities are in Indonesia, final touch and distribution takes part in Greece.
Although many still do ride with flip flops and shorts even with a biking swim suit not to mention the lack of helmet am one of those who ride only with the hole set of protecrive gear and insist that my pillion does the same, even at extreme heat .love so much my body and her no matter who she is. 
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Post by: fjtwelve on March 30, 2017, 07:04:59 pm
OK you mudguard and radiator freaks!

Just had an apologetic mail from Mr Carbon Mudguard! Work is hectic and he has just moved house so things that need his attention in the design department have kind of slipped!

However, work has been progressing slowly and he now thinks they should have an initial sample within the next 6-8 weeks and we will be the first to know!

Brian (who is keeping his fingers crossed that the long winter doesn't come before the long mudguard  8) )

Have you still got your fingers crossed? Need this and pretty sure I'm going to need to find that radiator replacement thread someone started about getting a better quality radiator at some point. Running hot at the merest provocation now and we are hardly into double figures on the temperature yet
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on March 30, 2017, 07:19:01 pm
I've tried chasing him twice in the last couple of months but with no response. I guess he has lost interest. Dissppointing to say the least  :(
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Costas on March 31, 2017, 08:31:00 pm
What a coinsidence, was mentioning that and with that same conclusion a couple of minutes before in another post.
Any way thanks for the effort.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on April 01, 2017, 09:15:01 am
I'm still pushing...
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 20, 2019, 03:45:19 pm
OK. I gave up way back when! The guy stopped responding.

However, I have another small, independent carbon outfit I am using for some small-run posh bits for another bike.

I want to open a conversation with the chappie about whether he a) can and b) will attempt to make what we all want; or at least wanted way back when this thread was started.

Since then, some members have left, some have given up on the K, but others have joined and the number of K's on the road is still about the same and with increasing age comes the almost inevitability of the dreaded radiator crap-up!

So, before I call and make an arse of myself, again, hands up for those who would be interested...

Numbers affect development costs and purchase price so this is a finger in the air job to see if it is just me or me and Matt or me and Matt and...you get the idea.

But don't go getting your hopes up  8)
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Post by: fjtwelve on January 20, 2019, 04:34:42 pm
Me
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Post by: richtea on January 20, 2019, 05:01:30 pm

So, before I call and make an arse of myself, again, hands up for those who would be interested...


I'm sorted now, Brian, but thanks for waking the thread up.

The carbon mudguard I got secondhand is considerably stiffer than the standard plastic one.
Carbon guard + carbon extender are now carved, drilled, & fitted, and a gentle whack test suggests the extender won't 'chirp' on the tyre now.
I'd get out there and test it for real, but 3C is too cold to bother. I'm nesh.
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Post by: TomL on January 20, 2019, 06:48:52 pm
I'd be interested.
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Post by: Steve404 on January 20, 2019, 06:55:02 pm
OK. I gave up way back when! The guy stopped responding.

However, I have another small, independent carbon outfit I am using for some small-run posh bits for another bike.

I want to open a conversation with the chappie about whether he a) can and b) will attempt to make what we all want; or at least wanted way back when this thread was started.

Since then, some members have left, some have given up on the K, but others have joined and the number of K's on the road is still about the same and with increasing age comes the almost inevitability of the dreaded radiator crap-up!

So, before I call and make an arse of myself, again, hands up for those who would be interested...

Numbers affect development costs and purchase price so this is a finger in the air job to see if it is just me or me and Matt or me and Matt and...you get the idea.

But don't go getting your hopes up  8)


Having just spent a couple of days de-crudding my radiator (not as bad as I feared) I would be interested in a mass purchase, pending design and costs etc.

Steve
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Post by: vm5 on January 21, 2019, 04:29:30 pm
Me too.
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Post by: paulotex on January 22, 2019, 08:56:19 am
Interested, but for a "R". Does that count? Are we just talking about "S" still?
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Post by: Costas on January 22, 2019, 10:28:53 am
Me
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Post by: Phmode on January 22, 2019, 11:25:48 am
Interested, but for a "R". Does that count? Are we just talking about "S" still?

The front mudguard is the same for the S and R as far as I know (someone will correct me  ::) ) GT is out.

But we are talking S 'design' here. Now then, whether we are talking 'stock' S style or some other, easier to fabricate style is up for grabs.
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Post by: CC Mac on January 22, 2019, 06:03:03 pm
I would be interested too. The R Sport has the same fender as the S.
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Post by: raesewell on January 22, 2019, 06:13:29 pm
It seems like you have a lot of interest Brian.
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 22, 2019, 09:22:36 pm
Yeah Rae, we had that last time...from the potential buyers. It was the potential sellers who were the problem. Still, the carbon bling fitted my wee Honda so that bodes well  8)
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Post by: raesewell on January 22, 2019, 09:44:07 pm
Maybe the new supplier is a bit more hungry than the last guy  :)
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Post by: black-k1 on January 23, 2019, 05:14:31 am
Interested, but for a "R". Does that count? Are we just talking about "S" still?

The front mudguard is the same for the S and R as far as I know (someone will correct me  ::) ) GT is out.

But we are talking S 'design' here. Now then, whether we are talking 'stock' S style or some other, easier to fabricate style is up for grabs.

Is the GT that different? Given you're looking at the possibility of a change of shape/design for the S version would that not fit on the GT? It won't look the same as the original GT version but, if it'll fit, it'll fit!
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: Phmode on January 23, 2019, 10:55:49 am
It's a valid point and I'm sure someone will tell us if the mounting points in the forks are the same. I could go and look up the part numbers of course... ::)
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Post by: raesewell on January 23, 2019, 11:15:24 am
Here is a photo of the GT for a visual comparison.
(https://i.ibb.co/FbnDGc6/20150819-075505.jpg) (https://ibb.co/275kXRq)
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Post by: raesewell on January 23, 2019, 11:31:36 am
From looking at some Ebay photos of the K1300S the fixing points look the same, but a physical comparison would be advisable  ;)
Title: Re: Extended carbon fibre front mudguard!
Post by: TomL on January 23, 2019, 04:57:13 pm
I don't like the look of the GT mudguard.
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Post by: raesewell on January 23, 2019, 05:10:40 pm
I don't like the look of the GT mudguard.
It was just a fixings comparison Tom not a fashion show  ;D ;D ;)
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Post by: mab1067 on January 23, 2019, 05:24:58 pm
Can i have one please?
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Post by: Phmode on January 23, 2019, 05:32:41 pm
Only if you are very good... 8)

Or very bad... ::)
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Post by: Costas on January 23, 2019, 08:25:56 pm
Fixing point the same
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Post by: Swindon Andy on January 23, 2019, 11:43:26 pm
I'm interested in one, thanks for doing the legwork on this.
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Post by: Jcdenton999 on January 24, 2019, 10:51:05 am
I would be interested as well obviously depending on a reasonable price.
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Post by: raesewell on January 24, 2019, 11:22:20 am
I would be interested as well obviously depending on a reasonable price.
You own a BMW and you expect reasonable prices  :o  ha ha
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Post by: Phmode on January 24, 2019, 11:22:58 am
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Coully on January 24, 2019, 05:04:16 pm
I would be interested as well obviously depending on a reasonable price.
You own a BMW and you expect reasonable prices  :o  ha ha

Tell that to my credit card
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Post by: Lotus26R on January 24, 2019, 08:09:42 pm
And another interest in one in the frozen North pls.
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Post by: Jcdenton999 on January 30, 2019, 03:05:07 pm
I would be interested as well obviously depending on a reasonable price.
You own a BMW and you expect reasonable prices  :o  ha ha
Well it's all relative ::) , reasonable BMW prices  ;)