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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2020, 09:38:56 am »
I trust Toms opinion, having seen him at work he knows his onions. Maybe you don't do enough miles on one bike to fully test the theory.

I’ve done 75000km on my lithium battery in my k1200R. How much proof do you need. Also there were bikes ie Honda’s that we’re well known for their regulator/ rectifier problems so the problem may not have been the batteries at all.
I don't need any proof, I asked a question and got an answer from a qualified professional. Everything else is anecdotal, I don't disbelieve what you say.

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2020, 07:19:56 pm »
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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2020, 07:36:11 pm »
With all due respect Costas, your battery doesn't get exposed to cold weather  ;D

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2020, 10:18:40 pm »
This is a crazy thread, does anybody seriously think that reputable specialist suppliers like Motorworks would sell / recommend Lithium batteries for most, if not all, BMW's if they regularly blew up ?
I've had Lith on all my ( youngest - the K100rs is off the road ) Beemers for cumulatively about 10 years, with not a single issue. The only thing is the slightly quirky cold start procedure of "warming" the battery ( switching on headlights ) before expecting it spin vigorously.
How many years have racers been fitting lith batteries to their bikes ? How many lith batteries do we all routinely carry on our persons all day every day ?  What is going to be the power source for all new cars from 2030 ?
C'mon guys, Lithium is not even new technology anymore, it's here, it's now.
 
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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2020, 11:17:07 pm »
At risk of re-igniting (:o) the thread, the point is that charge systems fall into two categories:
1. designed for lithium (phones, e-bikes, race bikes, new Ducatis, etc)
2. not designed for lithium (K bikes)

For No.2 you want to be sure the system is fit for purpose before swapping, and secondly that your lithium battery supplier is a trustworthy one.
You look at the options, the benefits, the risks, the cost.

You picked lithium.
I picked Motobatt. And a half a case of champagne. Bottoms up. ;D

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2020, 07:51:07 am »
This is a crazy thread, does anybody seriously think that reputable specialist suppliers like Motorworks would sell / recommend Lithium batteries for most, if not all, BMW's if they regularly blew up ?
I've had Lith on all my ( youngest - the K100rs is off the road ) Beemers for cumulatively about 10 years, with not a single issue. The only thing is the slightly quirky cold start procedure of "warming" the battery ( switching on headlights ) before expecting it spin vigorously.
How many years have racers been fitting lith batteries to their bikes ? How many lith batteries do we all routinely carry on our persons all day every day ?  What is going to be the power source for all new cars from 2030 ?
C'mon guys, Lithium is not even new technology anymore, it's here, it's now.

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2020, 07:58:28 am »
At risk of re-igniting (:o) the thread, the point is that charge systems fall into two categories:
1. designed for lithium (phones, e-bikes, race bikes, new Ducatis, etc)
2. not designed for lithium (K bikes)


There’s a technical term for the above..... Complete Rubbish

If you want be a Stone Age Biker.....fair enough their are plenty out there, but no matter how deep you put your head in the sand it will not stop technical progress.


I’ve run various bikes over the last 7 years with lithium batteries, single/triple/boxer/V twin/4 cylinder and they run fine.

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2020, 10:31:17 am »
It seems to me that the only advantage to lithium batteries is the weight saving. Most of us could save the same amount of weight by not eating so much over the Christmas period.
I'm sure the weight saving matters to a racer, that's not me.

When my existing battery goes tits up I might explore the possibility of lithium, until then I'll carry on as usual.

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2020, 10:34:13 am »
Cheers Bruno.
Also we all discussed this a while ago with Andy who has an oscilloscope.

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2020, 03:44:26 pm »
It seems to me that the only advantage to lithium batteries is the weight saving. Most of us could save the same amount of weight by not eating so much over the Christmas period.
I'm sure the weight saving matters to a racer, that's not me.

When my existing battery goes tits up I might explore the possibility of lithium, until then I'll carry on as usual.

Yep I get that...having run an FJ1200 from the mid eighties to 99....and a much modded one at that, the moment the 1300 came out I walked away from all things FJ so being bothered about saving weight is/was never on the agenda.

From a tech point of view the only lead acid battery that has ever come close to a lithium is an Odyssey PC680 that had just come off a battery charger, as I found out bikes respond rather well to going on a diet so it got dumped for a lithium....and I know how the bikes now feel having been riding a mountain bike all lock down and shed similar amount of weight  :D

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2020, 03:52:19 pm »
I put a PC 680 on the GT when I had it, Odyssey in their wisdom don't have one to fit the FJR. The GT battery needed changing after about four years whereas the Yuasa on the FJR is still going strong after nearly eight years.

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2020, 04:27:02 pm »
I'm probably the silliest here then (specifically on batteries, thank you!) as when my first K1300S took me 15 minutes of stress to start after visiting romantic Basingstoke I rode straight to Alton BMW and said "new battery please!"

But that poor bike lived outside and was... 5 or so years old.

The next K lived inside and will be breaking that 5 year record shortly I hope :). Unless it goes to Basingstoke. Don't go to Basingstoke Philip.
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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2020, 04:50:39 pm »
I put a PC 680 on the GT when I had it, Odyssey in their wisdom don't have one to fit the FJR. The GT battery needed changing after about four years whereas the Yuasa on the FJR is still going strong after nearly eight years.

Well if you to get on how long they lasted tread mill I got 18 years out of 2 Odyssey’s on my 1100s,but when the opportunity came to save weight on the bike I went lithium with the same performance and cheaper...was a dam sight less cost weight saving wise than my Dymags  :D

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Re: Lithium Batteries, a question.
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2020, 05:41:46 pm »
Don't go to Basingstoke Philip.

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