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General forum area => Oils & Lubricants => Topic started by: DiscTrucker on July 02, 2020, 06:34:02 pm
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Has anybody used the service kits from Nippy Normans?
https://www.nippynormans.com/tools-servicing/service-kit-with-oil-k1300rgt
Good value?
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I would be VERY wary of using anything other than the OEM oil. But that's just some of us...
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I would be VERY wary of using anything other than the OEM oil. But that's just some of us...
My head says the same thing. It would have to be free and with a free horse that is also a helper monkey. Otherwise it's not a bargain enough to risk it. BMW.
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It exceeds the ratings in the manual, and Silkoline have been around for years.
Is this really an issue?
Genuine question, I’m not arguing ;D
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Your choice but I personally will only use the BMW Advantec oil in my K1300S
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Your choise but I personally will only use the BMW Advantec oil in my K1300S
Can I genuinely ask what is different about it then?
2 other chaps have said similar so I really need to know now! Ha ha.
Or is this one of those slightly tetchy subjects?
I’m genuinely looking to further my understanding of this.
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This has been covered before, I think Costas came up with the technical details. Try a search.
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This has been covered before, I think Costas came up with the technical details. Try a search.
Thank you, I shall do so when I get home from work.
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It exceeds the ratings in the manual, and Silkoline have been around for years.
Is this really an issue?
Genuine question, I’m not arguing ;D
This topic has been going round in here and elsewhere for decades now.
The engine and gearbox is not the issue. I would happily run mine on any old oil, well, new oil.
But then we have that small matter of the clutch. And therein lies the problem just waiting to bite you on the bum.
I bought a lifetime's supply of the Advantec at about £11 a litre from the Chermans a couple of years ago. And haven't ridden as far as an oil change ever since ::)
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So if we take £11 a litre and the kit is 4 litres then by my maths that means of the total cost of ~£133 just
£687 £44 of it is the oil if it was the BMW stuff.
All I'm saying is that how much money are we possibly saving by not using BMW oil. It's not exactly going to be saving you £44 quid. And even if it did, that's bugger all, unless the intent is to prove it's fine. Much like I proved to my mother that you can have pasta instead of rice with a curry.
So to me the debate is pointless. If the amounts considered here are meaningful then the 'perceived' quality BMW should have been avoided. Is there any other justification?
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Well this has got things fired up.
Not my intent, I had heard of these kits and thought I’d try one out.
If they are putting a package together such as this I would expect all the components to be suitable for
The task at hand.
But thought I’d get a general vibe for the stuff before I ordered it.
I didn’t realise this had already been covered in some depth previously.
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I think you should buy one of these kits and let us know how it goes. After all Nippy Norman is the got to BMW site, isn't it?
The only problem you may have will be the clutch, but let us know if it affects it.
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I think you should buy one of these kits and let us know how it goes. After all Nippy Norman is the got to BMW site, isn't it?
The only problem you may have will be the clutch, but let us know if it affects it.
That was my thoughts entirely.
I assumed that was the place to go, and all would be good.
I was just looking for a smidgen of clarification re the matter.
👍🏼
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I am going to make an assumption here, I think that Nippy Norman did what you did and looked at the specification of the oil and thought that it would be OK. It may be OK, however the BMW oil has some additives that they keep close to their chest.
Where is Costas when you need him?
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So if we take £11 a litre and the kit is 4 litres then by my maths that means of the total cost of ~£133 just £687 £44 of it is the oil if it was the BMW stuff.
All I'm saying is that how much money are we possibly saving by not using BMW oil. It's not exactly going to be saving you £44 quid. And even if it did, that's bugger all, unless the intent is to prove it's fine. Much like I proved to my mother that you can have pasta instead of rice with a curry.
So to me the debate is pointless. If the amounts considered here are meaningful then the 'perceived' quality BMW should have been avoided. Is there any other justification?
The £11/litre was the mass buy discount price. Your local stealer will want the thick end of £18 from memory...
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I think you should buy one of these kits and let us know how it goes. After all Nippy Norman is the got to BMW site, isn't it?
Not for me with 3 Beemers they are last place i’d Be going too,better known for over priced bling.
Motorworks 1st
James Sherlock 2nd
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So if we take £11 a litre and the kit is 4 litres then by my maths that means of the total cost of ~£133 just £687 £44 of it is the oil if it was the BMW stuff.
All I'm saying is that how much money are we possibly saving by not using BMW oil. It's not exactly going to be saving you £44 quid. And even if it did, that's bugger all, unless the intent is to prove it's fine. Much like I proved to my mother that you can have pasta instead of rice with a curry.
So to me the debate is pointless. If the amounts considered here are meaningful then the 'perceived' quality BMW should have been avoided. Is there any other justification?
The £11/litre was the mass buy discount price. Your local stealer will want the thick end of £18 from memory...
Go to your room!
And sorry Trucky if I sounded ranty, I'm just projecting from my massive pain in the arse Friday day full of nonsensical meaningless workshops. :). God help me if I know what Annex 3 section 13 exists for.
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While we are on the subject of Nippy Normans has anyone ever managed to speak too them on the phone?
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Yes and very helpful he was too if somewhat off-hand...I don't think he likes 'people' ::)
But that was about 3 weeks after he first opened and there was a phone number.
After that, no way.
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Exactly....hence why I use the other two.
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Well I wasn’t aware of the other two until now, so thanks for that chaps.
I did notice motoworks sell Silkoline pro4 and spec if for the K1300 though.
I’m going to pop it in, see how it goes and if not happy, replace with the Bmw stuff.
👍🏼
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Good luck there then...
Do tell your clutch to hold its breath for a while 8)
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You think I’ll get some slip?
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If you are very lucky.
Or some judder...
Or squeal...
Or whatever 8)
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Yeah I like Motorworks, done me well over the years.
Also, do make a song and dance if everything goes ok, otherwise we'll forget you know it! :D we need some new ideas :)
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Yeah I like Motorworks, done me well over the years.
Also, do make a song and dance if everything goes ok, otherwise we'll forget you know it! :D we need some new ideas :)
Ha ha, I shall do (I probably won’t!)
I do bow to you guys and your knowledge in this area.
But I’m also willing to try these things too.
If it’s suggested by both motoworks and Nippy, I’m happy to try it.
I’ve read numerous good reviews about the stuff, have used their products in other bikes.
Fingers crossed 🤞🏼
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:D
For many years my bike was my only transport, so I was very risk averse.
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Pal up with 2 or 3 others and order enough for a couple of oil changes and get it from here https://www.ato24.de/en/bmw-advantec-pro-15w-50-motorcycle-engine-oil-1-l.html (https://www.ato24.de/en/bmw-advantec-pro-15w-50-motorcycle-engine-oil-1-l.html) I did and saved a lot and it was an excellent service. better than £17 per litre from you local BMW stealer.
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If you are going to create a Poll, please ensure that the questions you ask are concise, not mutually exclusive and will give the information you want.
The current poll asks members to choose between 'this oil is fine' and 'I wouldn't fry chips in it'.
Personally, I have never used it so can't tick the first box.
However, I wouldn't eat chips cooked in it because they would taste dreadful. And I never fry chips! I could tick this choice but it won't tell you anything meaningful about my choice of oil for my K.
So, I don't vote.
Perhaps a more meaningful choice would be to ask members whether they would you use non-BMW Advantec oil in their K...
O Yes
O No
Simples!
It always amazes me that folks buy a fairly expensive, relatively high tech, 170bhp, 170mph motorcycle and then want to save a few quid on things like coolant and engine oil.
If you can buy oil at £10 /litre less than Advantec, this will save you £0.58p per mile or a couple of tanks of fuel, on 6,000 mile oil changes.
You could buy cheap tyres and save more than that! Or run regular unleaded!
Oh, the perils of buying a second-hand K without a FBMWSH :o
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I made a similar point on the FJR Forum, you spend thousands on a bike many many hundreds if not thousands on jacket, trousers, boots, helmet and gloves and you want to save a few pence on oil and tyres, what a strange breed we are :o
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Well it wasn’t to save a few quid, I asked if it was good value as I wasn’t sure regarding the overall
Cost of the package, air filters, oil filter etc, was this expensive, was this cheap rubbish?
I have to say I’m not a huge believer in the hype that BMW may spew out regarding having to use their
own oils etc and I must confess I’m genuinely surprised by the negativity towards using anything else.
Like what was said earlier, I thought N N was the place to go, I thought you chaps would have been doing that for years.
My original post was just a peace of mind and hoping others would say ‘yes, always use that place’ or get it from here instead.
Whilst I certainly wouldn’t ‘Cheap out’ I also won’t pay £10 for something that’s £5 next door.
This purchase was based on a pre existing kit that was available for the machine I have, sold by two company’s that specialise in BMW products, and list this oil as a product for the bike in question. ‘Nippy and Motoworks’.
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We do have a resident Oil Man in the form of Opie Oils who will give a discount for the EuroKClub.
https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=1797.0
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What oil am I voting to fry chips in? :-\
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What oil am I voting to fry chips in? :-\
Silkoline pro 4
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We do have a resident Oil Man in the form of Opie Oils who will give a discount for the EuroKClub.
https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=1797.0
Thank you Raeswell, I shall most certainly look into this upon its next oil change. 👍🏼
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... and I must confess I’m genuinely surprised by the negativity towards using anything else.
I think the worry (from historical posts on this forum, and its predecessor), is the clutch problem. Hence why people throw their hands up in horror.
However, much like the 'Don't buy a 1200 if you can afford a 1300!' argument, not every bike/clutch/etc has problems.
As you know, forums attract both 'I love my bike' and 'I've got a problem' members in equal measure. No one joins because its just an average motorbike!
I'm sure many people have used other oils, and we hear nothing (problems or otherwise).
Silkolene is a trusted & well-known brand. Give it a go, and let us know. It enriches the forum, and we'll all be the wiser.
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Blimey boys if you lot are going to waffle on at least add some history too the thread.....
From September 04 to 2010 the oil spec was 10/40 the clutch had been an issue for years so you 1300 owners don’t get all sniffy because even that had been around long enough to also have a problem.
In an attempt to sort the clutch problem BM started to suggest!!!! 5/40 in 2010 the then problem was the camchain rattle at start up because the tensioner would not hold 5wt oil,BM then did the recall upgrade which included 1300’s and also added the jump guard which in reality is a solid block of plastic and by 2011 5/40 was set in stone.
As i’ve said before Vines volunteered to fix mine(clutch)so clearly their were other things going on apart from oil,first attempt lasted 6 weeks the second has lasted 10 years.
As for oil,i’m Certainly not going into the Pros and cons of how my supplies turn up on my door step but i’ve Used both Silkolene 5/40 and the BM option and unable to tell the difference I haven’t asked the bike :)
For 1200 owners the upgraded camchain tensioner is black.
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For 1200 owners the upgraded camchain tensioner is black.
I'm fairly certain my K12S tensioner was black also.
The easy giveaway is that the original tensioner had a vertical, cylindrical portion about 1" tall whereas the later tensioner is about 2" tall. You can find it hiding under the frame rail on the right about 6" in front of the leading edge of the clutch housing.
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Well the new oil went in yesterday, new oil filter, new air filter.
Final drive oil changed, and I’ve done a nice little 100 mile ride today.
The bike ran as smooth as butter, 1’st gear engagement doesn’t sound like someone throwing a bag of spanners into another bag of spanners anymore.
And before I changed the oil I ran the bike with a decibel meter on the workbench, then did the same after, and it’s a whole 3.3dB quieter too.
I’m going to check my gentleman sausage shortly, as I reckon that has gained an inch also!
So all in all, I say Great Success 🙌🏼
Silkolene Pro 4, I salute you.
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Good stuff, DiscTrucker.
Please can you to report back on progress in 6k miles / 1 year?
For the Greater Goodtm.
Cheers. ;)
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If I remember I will happily do so.
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just to had more oil in that pan.
French BMW authorize dealer use motul 300v 5w40 at £21,73 the litre in my bike.
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And my local BMW service guy uses
CASTROL POWER1 RACING 4T 5W-40 €14 a litre.
So far, after two years and two services, not a problem. I just did the third one myself with the same oil.
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About to buy some service parts from Nippy Normans but their oil filter recommendation confuses me. For the K1300s they spec the Mahle OC306. However, Mahle's own catalogue and also Opie Oils both specify the OC619 filter. Does anyone know which is correct.
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If I remember I will happily do so.
Ping! Ping! Ping!
Your one year alarm has sounded. ;D
So, how is the kit?
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Ha ha, excellent!
I set the service light for this month also.
It’s been great, I have no complaints at all. ;D