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Title: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 04, 2018, 03:46:32 pm
Hello all.

Will soon be a year since the K came into my possesion/life so I'm facing the first service in my ownership/care. I'd quite happliy service it myself (the 'dangers' of home servicing! As a Kawasaki dealer once said to me when muted) as I have done for previous bikes and the fact that all it'll need is an oil change and maybe new rear brake pads? I phoned the franchised main dealer last week and asked that, Andy, the man I bought it from phone me back. He did, I missed his call and despite trying him again two or three times he's not as yet got back to me. I'm in the cream puff now as I thought he really liked me...  :'(  Being Scottish, careful with my earnings, Im thinking I should just book it into my local friendly independent motorcycle shop who I've used for years for the bigger stuff/jobs and ask them to use BMW parts and top quality Castrol oil and save a few quid on labour rates and also help keep an independent enthusiast motorcycle shop in business. Hip, Hip, Hooray!

Can anyone pick fault with that? The bike has an extended 24month warranty as supplied by the dealer but it's running sweet as a nut and nothing has fallen off, broken or gone faulty. Mileage is now just under 16k and it's a 63 reg. Reg.  ;)

Brake fluid was changed at last service before collection in May 2017 and the brakes are astoundingly good! I can never make up my mind which is best? The motor or the brakes?  8)

P.S. I've also bought, have a pair of Michelin PR5s in stock which will also be fitted (new tyre joy!) and the MOT is due in May also and the tax and the insurance. Ballache. I think I need a second job or a - sugar mummy - or both.....  ???

Thanks for listening/reading.
Cheers.

Turbobevy.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on April 04, 2018, 04:04:35 pm
There are two flies in your ointment...

Firstly, the stamps in the book are still worth having depending on how long you intend to keep it. Selling it on or trading it in a year or two, get the FBMWSH bit in the advert. Keeping it forever snd running it into the ground, get it done down the chipshop with my proviso below...

'Top quality Castrol oil' is not up to the standard required to keep your clutch working sweetly. It will happily keep the rest of the motor running sweetly, but not the clutch which is very finicky about its lube.

If you get the local guy to buy and use the proper BMW oil then you will be OK. Expensive but not simply a mark up and rip-off; it is different.

It is, as they say, a matter of paying your money and taking your choice.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on April 04, 2018, 04:11:22 pm
Not to mention plugging into the mothership to cancel the service indicator and any other updates due.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 04, 2018, 05:43:08 pm
Not to mention plugging into the mothership to cancel the service indicator and any other updates due.

Will there be many/any since since last year on a bike that's no longer in production? #Collectors item of the future!  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 04, 2018, 05:46:47 pm
There are two flies in your ointment...

Firstly, the stamps in the book are still worth having depending on how long you intend to leep it. Selling it on or trading it in a year or two, get the FBMWSH bit in the advert. Keeping it forever snd running it into the ground, get it done down the chipshop with my proviso below...

'Top quality Castrol oil' is not up to the standard required to keep your clutch working sweetly. It will happily keep the rest of the motor running sweetly, but not the clutch which is very finicky about its lube.

If you get the local guy to buy and use the proper BMW oil then you will be OK. Expensive but not simply a mark up and rip-off; it is different.

It is, as they say, a matter of paying your money and taking your choice.

Thanks for this. However, I'd read that the clutch action was improved on the K by using Castrol oil and that BMW actually encouraged its use? BMW don't actually make oil do they, surely? Castrol are the masters of the art IMHO and I refuse thus far, to use anything else.

Having said that out loud... I'm now going to retreat and hide behind the couch.  ???

TB.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on April 04, 2018, 06:13:41 pm
I believe that BMWs affiliation with Castrol has ended (willing to be corrected) and the 5-40 that is recommended is only available from BMW (also willing to be corrected here too)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 04, 2018, 06:49:42 pm
I believe that BMWs affiliation with Castrol has ended (willing to be corrected) and the 5-40 that is recommended is only available from BMW (also willing to be corrected here too)

Bible according to Castrol says not.

https://applications.castrol.com/oilselector/en_gb/c/recommendation?data=26577efd74b713b0c15be2bbbbc95d77



Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on April 04, 2018, 07:23:09 pm
The 5-40 may now be available elsewhere because of the split.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on April 04, 2018, 07:51:16 pm
BMW don't actually make oil do they, surely? Castrol are the masters of the art IMHO and I refuse thus far, to use anything else.
TB.

Firstly, refuse at your peril...but be stubborn if you wish.

BMW doesn't make much at all, certainly not oil. In this they are no different from most other 'makers'!

What they do do, is design, develop amd specify.

Their specification for the engine oil for the K12/3 was put out for tender, like most things; brakes, seals, bearings etc.

Whoever gets the contract to manufacture is bound by the T's&C's of the BMW contract which means that it can't be made, marketed or sold to or by anyone else.

BMW, like most makers, change suppliers from time to time. The old supplier knows everythimg about the product now being made by someone else but can't do anything about it.

So, Brembo discs and pads are made by Brembo (obviously  ::) ) but to BMW's specification. Buy the ordinary ones from Brembo and you might not notice the difference. Others in here most certainly can.

For the sake of the cost of a couple of tanks of fuel you can chance your clutch.

Me, I don't gamble.

PS I have no idea why you think Castrol are more the masters of the art of oil synthesis than any other major manufacturer. I understand your prejudice, the Duckhams oil mayonnaise in the '60's and '70's put me off their oils for life, but virtually all shelf oils are the same, spec for spec.

In respect of the oil for the K, it is the spec. that is different.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: drumwrecker on April 04, 2018, 09:51:42 pm
Isn't the BMW oil made by Shell?
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on April 04, 2018, 09:53:47 pm
Isn't the BMW oil made by Shell?
It might be now Ron but it used to be Castrol, you know what BMW are like they are flibbertigibbets.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on April 05, 2018, 01:29:53 pm
Doesn't flibbertigibbets have a y in the middle  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on April 05, 2018, 04:03:52 pm
Doesn't flibbertigibbets have a y in the middle  ;D
I thought it did but the dictionary says different, it's probably one of those either ors  ::)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 05, 2018, 05:55:36 pm
BMW don't actually make oil do they, surely? Castrol are the masters of the art IMHO and I refuse thus far, to use anything else.
TB.

Firstly, refuse at your peril...but be stubborn if you wish.

BMW doesn't make much at all, certainly not oil. In this they are no different from most other 'makers'!

What they do do, is design, develop amd specify.

Their specification for the engine oil for the K12/3 was put out for tender, like most things; brakes, seals, bearings etc.

Whoever gets the contract to manufacture is bound by the T's&C's of the BMW contract which means that it can't be made, marketed or sold to or by anyone else.

BMW, like most makers, change suppliers from time to time. The old supplier knows everythimg about the product now being made by someone else but can't do anything about it.

So, Brembo discs and pads are made by Brembo (obviously  ::) ) but to BMW's specification. Buy the ordinary ones from Brembo and you might not notice the difference. Others in here most certainly can.

For the sake of the cost of a couple of tanks of fuel you can chance your clutch.

Me, I don't gamble.

PS I have no idea why you think Castrol are more the masters of the art of oil synthesis than any other major manufacturer. I understand your prejudice, the Duckhams oil mayonnaise in the '60's and '70's put me off their oils for life, but virtually all shelf oils are the same, spec for spec.

In respect of the oil for the K, it is the spec. that is different.

I hear all that, but you've said that all oils are the same in that they're all the same specification and then you go onto say that the spec' of the motor oil for the K is somehow, different?

Well yes different it may be but the Castrol product is actually made by Castrol which is a product that when used in the engines of previous bikes performs better than other similar specced oils. Example in point is that when a Kawasaki dealer serviced a Kwak I used to own they used Fuchs oil or something similar which was no doubt within the specified limits for the bike, but when I serviced it myself the next time and used Castrol Power 1 Racing the gearchange was noticably smoother and the bike ran better.

I've also came across this which shows that the Castrol oil was co-engineered with BMW.

https://goo.gl/cuvuoG

I'm not dissing what you're saying, I'm just not convinced that the rebadged BMW oil is any better than Castrol, a brand which I have years of experience of and confidence in.

Best regards.

John.   
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: richtea on April 05, 2018, 06:25:09 pm
I hear all that, but you've said that all oils are the same in that they're all the same specification and then you go onto say that the spec' of the motor oil for the K is somehow, different?

I've also came across this which shows that the Castrol oil was co-engineered with BMW.

https://goo.gl/cuvuoG


John.

I think Brian was saying 'all shelf oils are the same', as in common or garden oil of the correct viscosity.

However, Castrol was recommended until maybe 1 or 2 years ago.
Someone will be along in a minute to explain why the newer BMW oil is better than Castrol. For the clutch, I suspect...
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andym535 on April 05, 2018, 07:00:07 pm
If it's done 16k miles then it's almost due the valve check (18k) and plug change too unless you're going to leave that for another year?
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: drumwrecker on April 05, 2018, 07:43:45 pm
Costas, where are you when you are needed

Didn't Costas tell us the oil is developed in one country and then sent on to another eventually ending up in Greece for the final configuration, or something like that?
I also understand that the new oil with additives was developed to cope with the needs of the clutch, so BMW make us pay for it by buying their special oil rather than them fixing it properly and using the cheaper Castrol oil.
According to the I-BMW.com forum the Americans use all makes of oils in their K's.
I wonder if there was a clutch issue on a bike with a warranty and it was found the bike wasn't running on their special oil, would they deal with the matter?
My handbook recommends Castrol as it is a 2009 model. 
I wonder what oil/oils the latest K's recommend?
Had the K13 ceased production when this new oil was introduced?
So many question and so much confusion.

Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on April 05, 2018, 08:56:19 pm
BMW don't actually make oil do they, surely? Castrol are the masters of the art IMHO and I refuse thus far, to use anything else.
TB.

Firstly, refuse at your peril...but be stubborn if you wish.

BMW doesn't make much at all, certainly not oil. In this they are no different from most other 'makers'!

What they do do, is design, develop amd specify.

Their specification for the engine oil for the K12/3 was put out for tender, like most things; brakes, seals, bearings etc.

Whoever gets the contract to manufacture is bound by the T's&C's of the BMW contract which means that it can't be made, marketed or sold to or by anyone else.

BMW, like most makers, change suppliers from time to time. The old supplier knows everythimg about the product now being made by someone else but can't do anything about it.

So, Brembo discs and pads are made by Brembo (obviously  ::) ) but to BMW's specification. Buy the ordinary ones from Brembo and you might not notice the difference. Others in here most certainly can.

For the sake of the cost of a couple of tanks of fuel you can chance your clutch.

Me, I don't gamble.

PS I have no idea why you think Castrol are more the masters of the art of oil synthesis than any other major manufacturer. I understand your prejudice, the Duckhams oil mayonnaise in the '60's and '70's put me off their oils for life, but virtually all shelf oils are the same, spec for spec.

In respect of the oil for the K, it is the spec. that is different.

I hear all that, but you've said that all oils are the same in that they're all the same specification and then you go onto say that the spec' of the motor oil for the K is somehow, different?

Well yes different it may be but the Castrol product is actually made by Castrol which is a product that when used in the engines of previous bikes performs better than other similar specced oils. Example in point is that when a Kawasaki dealer serviced a Kwak I used to own they used Fuchs oil or something similar which was no doubt within the specified limits for the bike, but when I serviced it myself the next time and used Castrol Power 1 Racing the gearchange was noticably smoother and the bike ran better.

I've also came across this which shows that the Castrol oil was co-engineered with BMW.

https://goo.gl/cuvuoG

I'm not dissing what you're saying, I'm just not convinced that the rebadged BMW oil is any better than Castrol, a brand which I have years of experience of and confidence in.

Best regards.

John.

Thanks to Richard for quoting me correctly  ;D

You clearly do not hear what I say.

I don't understand what it is that you don't understand about 'specification'. The BMW 'specified' oil can't be bought in Halfords or anywhere else that isn't a BMW dealer so isn't available off the shelf. (By comparison, VW spec. oil for their diesels IS available off the shelf in Halfords etc. but is different, according to the spec. on the can, from other oils by the same maker.)

Castrol is a chemist as are all other oil companies. If you go to Castrol and ask them nicely they will make a litre or a million to your specification. Simples! That is what BMW did and the result was the oil the dealers sell.

You, I can guarantee, you have never put a drop of the BMW 'specification' Castrol (or Shell) oil in any other bike you have serviced, unless you bought it from a BMW dealer. And unless you have had a string of K bikes then you haven't been putting Castrol 'ordinaire' in bikes with the K clutch.

If you think the BMW oil is a re-badge, stick it in your engine and spend the money you save on a couple of bottles of cheap'ish plonk, it sure won't go far if you put it towards a new clutch.

The 'damp' clutch on the K is neither a dry clutch nor a wet clutch; it was designed as a wet clutch but gets way too little lubrication to be so called, really only getting any oil fed to it when the clutch lever is in. The wear and squeal and judder suffered by many are testament to the fact that it is a dog's breakfast and that is with the correct oil in there.

It seems you have made your mind up and that's fine, but then, why ask for advice. Like I said, you pays your money and takes your risk. Go with the ordinary castrol and ignore all the advice.

As for the manual, mine (for my 2012 bike which was lost by original owner and the replacement, which is dated 08.2014, 6th edition, 01) 'recommends' Advantec. As to a warranty claim, I think they would have a hard time chucking one out for not using the BM oil as long as 'good stuff' had been put in, not the stuff from the girl down the chippy.

Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 05, 2018, 09:03:22 pm
If it's done 16k miles then it's almost due the valve check (18k) and plug change too unless you're going to leave that for another year?

Is the correct answer. WCPGW?
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 05, 2018, 09:10:56 pm
I hear all that, but you've said that all oils are the same in that they're all the same specification and then you go onto say that the spec' of the motor oil for the K is somehow, different?

I've also came across this which shows that the Castrol oil was co-engineered with BMW.

https://goo.gl/cuvuoG


John.

I think Brian was saying 'all shelf oils are the same', as in common or garden oil of the correct viscosity.

However, Castrol was recommended until maybe 1 or 2 years ago.
Someone will be along in a minute to explain why the newer BMW oil is better than Castrol. For the clutch, I suspect...

As my bike is a 2013 model and hasn't materially changed much if at all since 2009, I suspect that's up-to-date enough.   ???

My 2002 Honda VFR has 70,000+ miles on the orginal clutch thanks to Castrol oil and myself & the other previous owner having some mechanical sympathy. This BMW should be no different.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andym535 on April 05, 2018, 09:26:42 pm
Whoever gets the contract to manufacture is bound by the T's&C's of the BMW contract which means that it can't be made, marketed or sold to or by anyone else.

I'm not certain, but I suspect, that's illegal under the EU block exemption rules unless they don't apply to bikes. BMW must provide the spec to anyone who wants to make a 'BMW Spec' oil (like Halfords do for the VW, BMW, etc car oils) for a reasonable cost. It's probably the case that the relatively  low volume makes it not worthwhile for other oil companies to do it though.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andym535 on April 05, 2018, 10:04:36 pm
If it's done 16k miles then it's almost due the valve check (18k) and plug change too unless you're going to leave that for another year?

Is the correct answer. WCPGW?

In my experience BMW engines are a lot more fragile and expensive to fix than their glossy adverts would have you believe. WCPGW... quite a lot! On the other hand, don’t expect much goodwill from BMW if it does break out of warranty, even if it has been fully main dealer serviced.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 05, 2018, 10:58:18 pm
If it's done 16k miles then it's almost due the valve check (18k) and plug change too unless you're going to leave that for another year?

Is the correct answer. WCPGW?

In my experience BMW engines are a lot more fragile and expensive to fix than their glossy adverts would have you believe. WCPGW... quite a lot! On the other hand, don’t expect much goodwill from BMW if it does break out of warranty, even if it has been fully main dealer serviced.

Okay I hear that too. Think my plan is go independent with this year's service and sell my first born in time for the BIG service next year - or - just chuck the bike back and walk away.  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on April 05, 2018, 11:09:35 pm
I think you'll find that the market for first borns has collapsed since the big crash of 2008   ;D

Selling a kidney and half of your liver might be better. And a lung if they actually need to change the shims... 8)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 06, 2018, 06:12:55 pm
I think you'll find that the market for first borns has collapsed since the big crash of 2008   ;D

Selling a kidney and half of your liver might be better. And a lung if they actually need to change the shims... 8)

That's my life, mate....

About the 18k service. I did push the salesman on the fact that I knew fine well that was looming in the near distance and how much would that cost, the BIG service?

He went all coy on me and said well, John, the bike has just been serviced and we even changed the brake fluid and you have your 24month copper bottomed BMW warranty - let's not worry about that for now. Just sign here..... YKIMS.

I then haggled a further £100 off the price of the K and a free T-shirt and the deal was done. So musn't grumble. I certainly don't regret buying the bike it's a missile and I LOVE IT!  8)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 06, 2018, 06:23:25 pm
I'm actually going to email the dealer contact who still hasn't called me back and ask them to quote me happy on this interim service and depending on the great deal they can do me I'll bear that in mind for the BIG service early next year when it will actually prolly be slightly overdue and they'll also have the cherry on top of fitting my new PR5s at the same time and also retain my custom, maybe? I'm also going to request that Castrol oil is used just to be ***t.

My wife's brilliant! Suzuki VeeStrom 650cc V-twin will go to Bloys (enthusiastic independent motorcycle shop) for a service as it's out of warranty now and I trust them more that I trust the local(ish) Suzuki dealer who gave it back to her after a full service and recall work and new dealer supplied rear tyre with the chain tension like a - bungie rope - as my late pal Dave would have said. The dangers of main dealer servicing! I had to correct it - many brownie points banked!

They then charged her for her first MOT, when the bike came from them spilt new with a free MOT for life! I complained and they refunded her the same day. Very sorry Mr G, don't hate us....

More on this story next week.

Turbobevy.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andym535 on April 06, 2018, 07:43:11 pm
'Sales' and 'Service' are almost like two separate companies at most dealerships, so I think all the Sales guy is likely to do is forward your email to the Service Manager. Unless you're happy to just go with the 2/3 year PCP deals that Sales will want to flog you, you need a dealer with a good Service Manager who's interested in keeping your bike running properly for years. Turn up with enough to buy a bike outright, without one of their finance schemes and consequently no interest in the monthly payment and Sales don't know what to do with you. Sales love the sort who are on their 5th or 6th GS, not those that keep the same bike forever.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 06, 2018, 09:21:23 pm
'Sales' and 'Service' are almost like two separate companies at most dealerships, so I think all the Sales guy is likely to do is forward your email to the Service Manager. Unless you're happy to just go with the 2/3 year PCP deals that Sales will want to flog you, you need a dealer with a good Service Manager who's interested in keeping your bike running properly for years. Turn up with enough to buy a bike outright, without one of their finance schemes and consequently no interest in the monthly payment and Sales don't know what to do with you. Sales love the sort who are on their 5th or 6th GS, not those that keep the same bike forever.

This just pushes me back to my first instinct of visiting my local enthusiast motorcycle shop who're only interested in keeping my bike running properly for years! I don't need a service manager, I need a competent motorcycle mechanic and correct parts.

5th or 6th GS does not apply!
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 08, 2018, 09:01:22 am
Email sent to dealer asking them to quote me happy and also requesting the use of Castrol 5w-40 Power 1.  ???
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 08, 2018, 03:31:37 pm
Here's the oil data from the Horses mouth.


(https://image.ibb.co/jWdcWc/Viscocity_Class.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 08, 2018, 05:16:59 pm
MOAR!  :)


(https://image.ibb.co/dWoi4x/Service_shedule_K1300s_08_04_18.jpg)

Brake fluid was changed last year....  8)


(https://image.ibb.co/dZXFHH/Service_shedule_1_K1300s_08_04_18.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TomL on April 08, 2018, 05:46:16 pm
At your mileage you must be due the 30,000k service which includes plugs and valve clearances.

Would also expect final drive oil and all dog leg needles clean and grease.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 08, 2018, 06:25:27 pm
At your mileage you must be due the 30,000k service which includes plugs and valve clearances.

Would also expect final drive oil and all dog leg needles clean and grease.

This isn't guess work, Tom.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 10, 2018, 05:49:19 pm
Quote received from BMW Service Manager.  :wink: 18,000 mile service = £430.00 INC VAT!. Seems not too bad to be honest and yes it's Shell BMW Advance oil or you can ***k right off!

They're asking £50 to change the tyres which is at least £20 too much. I'll get the MOT & tyres done locally and then make the trip to Dundee as the bike nears 18,000 miles which shouldn't take long given it's now, summer.  ::)

If anyone's interested in seeing the actual quote I can post that up in a redacted fashion to protect the names of the guilty.

Turbobevy
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: MadMountainbike on April 10, 2018, 05:53:21 pm
So cos I'm a simple guy and due the valve check and plug service and the fuel strip needs doing again I phoned the dealer.

They are quoting £423 for the big service inc valve check, fluid, plugs etc... Though they were very keen to emphasise that this was a valve 'check' and that other work would add to the cost... which I interpret to mean if the valves actually need adjusting they'd like to charge me more...

It's not cheap, but I didn't expect it to be... I've also asked the independent chap at York for a quote, so will let you know if I hear back.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: MadMountainbike on April 10, 2018, 05:55:22 pm
Quote received from BMW Service Manager. 18,000 mile service = £430.00. Seems not to bad to be honest and yes it's Shell BMW Advance oil or you can ***k right off!

They're asking £50 to change of the tyres which is at least £20 too much. I'll get the MOT & tyres done locally and then make the trip to Dundee as the bike nears 18,000 miles which shouldn't take long given it's now, summer.  ::)

If anyone's interested in seeing the actual quote I can post that up in a redacted fashion.....

Turbobevy

Pricing looks pretty consistent then.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 10, 2018, 05:56:15 pm
Quote received from BMW Service Manager. 18,000 mile service = £430.00. Seems not to bad to be honest and yes it's Shell BMW Advance oil or you can ***k right off!

They're asking £50 to change of the tyres which is at least £20 too much. I'll get the MOT & tyres done locally and then make the trip to Dundee as the bike nears 18,000 miles which shouldn't take long given it's now, summer.  ::)

If anyone's interested in seeing the actual quote I can post that up in a redacted fashion.....

Turbobevy

Pricing looks pretty consistent then.

Indeed and how much can a few shims cost? Not more than a few quid, surely?
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: stevel on April 10, 2018, 06:01:01 pm
Shims are £3 each secondhand - I'd expect new ones to be a good fiver or so.

Changing the shims is a WHOLE lot more work than checking them. To check them, you only have to get the valve cover off. To change them, you have to lock the engine at TDC, take the camchain sprocket off, install the camshaft tensioner bolts, remove all camshaft bearing bolts, remove the camshaft bearings, then lift out whichever camshaft you need to get to. Then you can change the shim, and do it all back up again. To the correct torque. When I do it, it's around an extra hour's work for me, over just checking them.


Steve
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 10, 2018, 06:03:53 pm
Shims are £3 each secondhand - I'd expect new ones to be a good fiver or so.

Changing the shims is a WHOLE lot more work than checking them. To check them, you only have to get the valve cover off. To change them, you have to lock the engine at TDC, take the camchain sprocket off, install the camshaft tensioner bolts, remove all camshaft bearing bolts, remove the camshaft bearings, then lift out whichever camshaft you need to get to. Then you can change the shim, and do it all back up again. To the correct torque. When I do it, it's around an extra hour's work for me, over just checking them.


Steve

Oh My Lord.... VFR VTEC design strikes again!

How much do you charge fella and when can I book it in?  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: stevel on April 10, 2018, 06:13:56 pm
Yeah, well - when you want this kind of performance out of an engine, you can't have heavy valve adjustment gear - it has to be lightweight shims.

It's also worth noting that doing the valve clearances requires the coolant to be drained, and spark plugs out, so if you're doing sparks, it makes sense to do the valves whilst you're there (or vice versa). This is most likely why they both have the same maintenance interval (30,000km). Coolant therefore has a default life of 30,000km as well!
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on April 10, 2018, 06:23:03 pm
Yeah, well - when you want this kind of performance out of an engine, you can't have heavy valve adjustment gear - it has to be lightweight shims.

It's also worth noting that doing the valve clearances requires the coolant to be drained, and spark plugs out, so if you're doing sparks, it makes sense to do the valves whilst you're there (or vice versa). This is most likely why they both have the same maintenance interval (30,000km). Coolant therefore has a default life of 30,000km as well!

Good points well put. Thanks. Coolant is listed on the service quote as is replacement final drive/bevel gear oil and ball joint lubrication.

Also worth stating that if anyone says they can do a valve check the same day? they're big fat liars as the engine needs to be stone cold, so left overnight to cool completely before checking the clearances.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: stevel on April 10, 2018, 06:33:05 pm
Bevel drive gear oil is pretty simple - 30 minute job, and that's only because filling it is fiddly.

'Ball joint lubrication' isn't what it seems - it's nothing to do with the ball joints!!! They would be exceptionally hard to lubricate. It actually refers to the spherical joint in the exhaust, somewhere near the valve flap if you've got a 1300. The steel parts corrode, so this service item simply specifies to undo the joint, apply copper grease, and do it up again! Comical that they charge for this.

Good point on the engine temp - we have conflicting requirements here. For an oil change (included in most services), the engine needs to be up to operating temp. For valve clearance check, max engine temp is specified as 35°C, so there needs to be a good few hours between these items. Maybe that's when the lubricate the 'ball joint'.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andym535 on April 10, 2018, 07:06:35 pm
I was quoted an additional £83 (on top of the cost of the valve check) if the valves need adjusting. Only 1 litre of Antifreeeze required though... is that all it takes, or is that just a re-use and top up. I guess it's enough if the Radiator isn't Donald Ducked.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 07, 2018, 11:39:23 am
Okay so the bike is finally booked in for the 18k service next week. I'll also be asking them to check the clutch as it has a noticeable 'chatter' at the biting point when properly warm. It's better with more revs, but it's there. Will try and get a video of it chattering and share.

BTW. I asked a local independent mechanic if he could do the job? and answer was, sorry no, special BMW tools required.

TB.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on December 07, 2018, 12:06:00 pm
There are a few independent BMW specialists around, not sure if there are any in your area.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Coully on December 08, 2018, 01:20:22 am
Went into local honda dealer to ask if they could work on k12... mechanically yes ...diagnostically no ...a silly statement but I've built up a good rapport with them over the 14 odd years I've used them
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 01:35:15 pm
18k service done - unsure as to what adjustment/shims if any were required as yet? Bike given clean bill of health, but it needs front ball joint(s). These are secured with 'one time use' only bolts, these bolts are on back order from Zee Fatherland. It might be the New Year before they arrive? I've agreed to let them keep the bike partially stripped down until the speshul bolts arrive via the E.U. Mafia. You'd have thought the bolts would come as supplied with the ball joint?

I also asked them (BMW Motorrad Dundee, Clarks) to check the condition of the radiator while it was stripped down and this has also been given clean bill of health and they've been unable to replicated the clutch chatter. Not surprised as it's so cold just now and it only happened back last summer when it was roasting hot.

TB.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TomL on December 14, 2018, 03:36:40 pm
18k service done - unsure as to what adjustment/shims if any were required as yet? Bike given clean bill of health, but it needs front ball joint(s). These are secured with 'one time use' only bolts, these bolts are on back order from Zee Fatherland. It might be the New Year before they arrive? I've agreed to let them keep the bike partially stripped down until the speshul bolts arrive via the E.U. Mafia. You'd have thought the bolts would come as supplied with the ball joint?

I also asked them (BMW Motorrad Dundee, Clarks) to check the condition of the radiator while it was stripped down and this has also been given clean bill of health and they've been unable to replicated the clutch chatter. Not surprised as it's so cold just now and it only happened back last summer when it was roasting hot.

TB.
How strange. My ball joints were attached with nuts not bolts. They were standard M14x1.5 nyloc nuts and I quite happily reused mine.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 03:52:08 pm
18k service done - unsure as to what adjustment/shims if any were required as yet? Bike given clean bill of health, but it needs front ball joint(s). These are secured with 'one time use' only bolts, these bolts are on back order from Zee Fatherland. It might be the New Year before they arrive? I've agreed to let them keep the bike partially stripped down until the speshul bolts arrive via the E.U. Mafia. You'd have thought the bolts would come as supplied with the ball joint?

I also asked them (BMW Motorrad Dundee, Clarks) to check the condition of the radiator while it was stripped down and this has also been given clean bill of health and they've been unable to replicated the clutch chatter. Not surprised as it's so cold just now and it only happened back last summer when it was roasting hot.

TB.
How strange. My ball joints were attached with nuts not bolts. They were standard M14x1.5 nyloc nuts and I quite happily reused mine.

Not according to Clarks o' Bonnie Dundee. Speshul disposable, one use only bolts, even though they seem to be made from, unobtainium. I think they just like having a 'decent bike' in the workshop rather than the ten-a-penny waterpumps GSes, so they're making excuses.

I'm not riding it during winter, so I'm not too bothered and consider it, storage included in the service cost.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 04:35:29 pm
Seems the unobtanium bolt, as described by the lassie on the service desk, is not a bolt at all. It's a nut. Something she knows little about obviously...

Item 2 as shown below, I think?

(https://i.ibb.co/yySzG0Y/K1300-leading-top-link.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 04:46:19 pm
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-22-mm-Hex-Nyloc-Self-Locking-Nut-M14x1-5-mm-1139422-31321139422-/291857955455

I feel an e-mail coming on....  ;D

John.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on December 14, 2018, 04:54:23 pm
The cumulative knowledge on this forum is far more than any dealer has  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 05:05:22 pm
The cumulative knowledge on this forum is far more than any dealer has  ;D

Indeed it is. TomL was spot on. It's a 14x1.5mm nyloc nut. I probably have one the shed?

I've e-mailed the dealer.  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: raesewell on December 14, 2018, 05:08:03 pm
Also, dealers have a habit of talking out of their ar*e  :-\
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 05:37:39 pm
Okay reply from Nelson.

--------------------------------

Hi John
 
Thank you for your email.
 
I have spoken with [REDACTED] and the nuts do come separate from the ball joints and these parts are available however, it is the Scissor-type articulation to wheel carrier and steering adapter bolts* that we require which are back ordered. They are M8 x 30's and it has to be supplied by BMW for warranty purposes unfortunately.
 
With regards to your valve clearances the measurements are as follows;-
 
At 35 degrees C or below the exhaust specified value is 0.30-0.40mm and the inlet are 0.20-0.28mm.  When checked all are within tolerance and no adjustments were required.
 
Hope this is of help to you.
 
Regards.

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So there you go. It's as near to rocket science as motorcycle suspension gets. And the valve check was a needless precaution only done because they were in there replacing the plugs anyway. Typical rock solid BMW reliability, yet again.

* yer no gonnae find them on eBay....
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 14, 2018, 05:53:09 pm
Now it all makes sense. Happy that the technician working on ma bike knows his onions and won't compromise on safety.  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/sgLTw8X/Scissor-type-bolts.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: stevel on December 18, 2018, 06:44:46 am
Those M8 bolts were (last time I took mine out) high tensile steel bolts. The only reason BMW specify replacement is because they use thread locker (micro-encapsulation in REPROM speak). I cleaned off the old threadlock with a wire brush then a die, bit of new threadlock (gel type) and done.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on December 18, 2018, 02:07:30 pm
And that micro-encrapsulation is lethal stuff. The last time I bought BMW fairing bolts (back before the bulk buy) even they were covered in the shite. The bolts holding the front mudguard on are still a pig to get out despite throwing the originals away, cleaning out the threads in the wheel carrier and using non-threadlocked bolts. The one holding the left grab handle on, on the K13, was so tight it stripped the rivnut out of the subframe. The bloody stuff is worse than araldite... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Lotus26R on December 18, 2018, 04:06:50 pm
The one holding the left grab handle on, on the K13, was so tight it stripped the rivnut out of the subframe. The bloody stuff is worse than araldite... >:( >:( >:(

Yup - I have one of those missing as well I discovered over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on December 19, 2018, 12:22:20 pm
Bike delivered back today. No charge for collection and delivering back - although they were also delivering a brand new R1250GS out to Oban after dropping my bike off. Quite a big bill, but not too bad considering. The ahem, ball joints, were replaced under warranty. Which pleases me and she's worth every single penny.  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/ySwvWqx/RK63-LND-18k-Service-Edited.jpg)

That's my Christmas sorted...

Season's Greetings. Turbo Bevy/John.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andysdad on December 20, 2018, 09:10:33 am
Back to the original theme - IIRC the Extended Warrranty might require you to have the servicing done at a Motorrad Dealer. This is allowed under Block Exemption if the EW is something that you pay for (because you are entering a contract and the manufacturer usually makes it a condition).

So possibly the first 24 months may be different because you got that "free", but if you extend your extended warranty later (your £) I think you must go to Motorrad Dealer.

I can't be bothered to go and read the paperwork to check, but that is my understanding.

Glad they sorted your ball joint - could have been a painful Christmas!

A
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: richtea on December 20, 2018, 02:17:02 pm
Back to the original theme - IIRC the Extended Warrranty might require you to have the servicing done at a Motorrad Dealer. This is allowed under Block Exemption if the EW is something that you pay for (because you are entering a contract and the manufacturer usually makes it a condition).

There's no exclusion I can see in warranty book. There is a mention of service history in the 'Making a claim' section, but no mention of non BMW exclusions that I can see:
The service history of the insured motorcycle and supporting invoices will be required by the repairing retailer at the time of the insured warranty claim.

They don't have to offer you warranty in the first place, of course, so if it's a bike they haven't seen go through a BMW dealer for, say, 5 years, they might say 'No thanks, we don't want your custom'.

But if you're already in warranty, then I can't see anything stopping you having it serviced by AN Other and still staying in warranty, other than the warranty may not be available to you the year after.
If AN Other is proven to have bodged something, then I suspect all bets are off at that point, though.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Andysdad on December 20, 2018, 05:51:54 pm
IDNRC (I Did NOT Remember Correctly!) - Richtea you are correct.

I got off my *rse and read the policy booklet and servicing at other places is OK as long as you use genuine parts or equivalent, get an invoice and enter the details in the service booklet.

So basically ignore me.....

I'll get me coat.


Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on December 20, 2018, 06:41:58 pm
I thought you were already banned  ???
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TurboBevy on January 25, 2019, 09:15:47 pm
Enough of that. Back to me ball joints. The invoice provided on warranty, or even warrantee, if your Murican? for the replacement of top & bottom BJs was £276.68. I hope I notice the difference when we finally get out for a bimble, please make it soon....
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on January 26, 2019, 09:03:25 pm
New balljoints are better than new tyres. No meandering at low speed. No juddering under high speed braking.

Until your balljoints have headed south you've never lived dangerously... 8)
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Jcdenton999 on January 30, 2019, 03:21:08 pm
And that micro-encrapsulation is lethal stuff. The last time I bought BMW fairing bolts (back before the bulk buy) even they were covered in the shite. The bolts holding the front mudguard on are still a pig to get out despite throwing the originals away, cleaning out the threads in the wheel carrier and using non-threadlocked bolts. The one holding the left grab handle on, on the K13, was so tight it stripped the rivnut out of the subframe. The bloody stuff is worse than araldite... >:( >:( >:(

Regarding the subframe rivnut, how did you deal with that? i have one of those broken and bmw is telling me to change the whole subframe ... no thank you but my left handle is loose which isnt great and as I wanted to put the alurack for topcase i can't do that now
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: TomK1300s on January 30, 2019, 04:08:02 pm
And that micro-encrapsulation is lethal stuff. The last time I bought BMW fairing bolts (back before the bulk buy) even they were covered in the shite. The bolts holding the front mudguard on are still a pig to get out despite throwing the originals away, cleaning out the threads in the wheel carrier and using non-threadlocked bolts. The one holding the left grab handle on, on the K13, was so tight it stripped the rivnut out of the subframe. The bloody stuff is worse than araldite... >:( >:( >:(

Regarding the subframe rivnut, how did you deal with that? i have one of those broken and bmw is telling me to change the whole subframe ... no thank you but my left handle is loose which isnt great and as I wanted to put the alurack for topcase i can't do that now

Find someone with the kit then drill it out and fit a new one, best option.
Big pop rivet gun, but i only have up to M6 inserts.
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: Phmode on January 30, 2019, 10:39:09 pm
And that micro-encrapsulation is lethal stuff. The last time I bought BMW fairing bolts (back before the bulk buy) even they were covered in the shite. The bolts holding the front mudguard on are still a pig to get out despite throwing the originals away, cleaning out the threads in the wheel carrier and using non-threadlocked bolts. The one holding the left grab handle on, on the K13, was so tight it stripped the rivnut out of the subframe. The bloody stuff is worse than araldite... >:( >:( >:(

Regarding the subframe rivnut, how did you deal with that? i have one of those broken and bmw is telling me to change the whole subframe ... no thank you but my left handle is loose which isnt great and as I wanted to put the alurack for topcase i can't do that now

I bought some stainless rivnuts, a rivnut setting tool and set to work. I had to use my Dremel to chop off the head of the bolt so I could remove the handle. I then tried to drill out the shank of the bolt but the rivnut just spun free.

I used a centre punch around the periphery of the rivnut to lock the rivnut and shank unit in place in the frame so I could drill it out. The shell of the drilled rivnut then fell into the frame and is still there, festering away as there was no way of getting it out past the rear-most rivnut.

Once it was clear, I could fit the new rivnut and re-fit a new bolt WITH COPASLIP ON THE THREADS.

Another way of doing it is to drill through the side of the sub-frame and insert a self-tapper to lock the rivnut while you unscrew the bolt.

Hope this helps. Brian
Title: Re: 2013 K1300s Franchised Dealer Service Costs (I'm sitting down already)?
Post by: flatfour on January 31, 2019, 09:43:54 am
I have a K1300 GT recently bought from Balderstons BMW as a "Premium Used" motorcycle, with the BMW two - year warranty. It was serviced by them shortly after purchase (part of the deal) and my understanding from the Warranty Booklet is that servicing must be in accordance with BMW (UK) recommendations.

It does not seem to specify that a BMW Dealer must carry out the service, although it does say that proof of servicing may be required and a claim rejected if the fault is, in their opinion due to poor maintenance. As a BMW Dealer will be submitting any claims, it does seem to me that servicing through the network is probably a wise investment, at least whilst the warranty is in force.

I will anyway be returning to Balderstons as they have treated me very well and various other tasks that I asked them to carry out at my expense (fitting my own sat nav etc) were completed neatly and at modest cost.