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Re: CE Level 2 gloves
« Reply #75 on: July 14, 2024, 09:43:05 am »
I have gloves going back decades which have great and very hard scaphoid protection but they are not level2. A doctor friend began to explain the consequences of scaphoid damage to me years ago and I ran away and threw away all my old gloves which didn't have it.

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Re: CE Level 2 gloves
« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2024, 10:48:57 am »
I’m convinced about the importance of scaphoid protection but uncertain what works. Some gloves have two scaphoid sliders (e.g., my venerable Racer High Racer gloves), whereas others have only one slider, such as the Oxford Nexus pictured above. How well does one slider work compared to two?

My Held gloves have SuperFabric covering the palm—how well does it slide compared to hard plastic?






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Re: CE Level 2 gloves
« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2024, 11:51:21 pm »
Well, having bleated on that glvoes must have a hard scaphoid protector, here's a CE Level 2 pair that don't have a hard protector. So that's my cover blown:

https://www.alpinestars.com/products/supertech-gloves

Maybe your Held SuperFabric is similar. What does the label inside the glove say?
Assuming they're less than, say, 4 years old they should have one. But I don't recall Held having Level 2 ones, but new stuff is always appearing.

You're looking for something like the small bike logo + 2 + KP (the one the red arrow points to):



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Re: CE Level 2 gloves
« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2024, 04:00:17 pm »
Although CE level 2 certification doesn’t require scaphoid protection, the table highlights enough reasons (e.g. seam burst strength) for me to prefer Level 2 gloves. Level 1 certification doesn’t mandate any shear resistance on the back of the hand and fingers!!

According to its YouTube channel, Held doesn’t currently offer Level 2 gloves, but it has acknowledged the demand and is actively working on developing them.

Regarding scaphoid protection, gloves with only one palm slider don’t cover the scaphoid bone itself, as it’s at the base of the thumb. Hmmm ??? ! At least the Held Cold Champ gloves pictured above have SuperFabric coverage that includes the base of the thumb.

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Re: CE Level 2 gloves
« Reply #79 on: July 15, 2024, 09:30:51 pm »
Knox were the first to develop the scaphoid protection system and my Knox winter gloves have it (as do all of their gloves) as standard. Unfortunately mine also have the relatively awful Boa fastening system which is a pain to do up when wearing winter gloves but it does give you a great clam-shell cuff 'gauntlet' with many sliders.

The only thing it doesn't have, which is usually a must for me, is the pinky-linky between the little and ring fingers.

I'm not too sure about the slider at the base of the thumb, the Knox has it as well as at the heel of the hand, but my everyday Alpinestars (with pinky-linky) only have it on the heel of the hand and the outside edge of the little finger.

I know all the videos show the hand being palm down when you land and claim that that is what causes the scaphoid injury, but I'm not sure. I mean, yes it would, of course. If you trip or slip while walking, then for sure you put your hands out in front of you and palm plant as you land. But on a bike, you normally land on your side in a low side with the outside edge of the hand, wrist and forearm contacting the tarmac first. In a high side it is anyone's guess and in a head-on, you have have more serious things to worry about breaking than your scaphoid; like your neck. I've only ever come off at anything above walking speed, off road and definitely landed on the side of my hand so fast you couldn't react to do anything else.

I guess the perfect glove doesn't exist. Yet!

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Re: CE Level 2 gloves
« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2024, 10:31:17 pm »
The one time I fell off shortly after learning (or not) to ride, I did a mini high side after locking the front and landed at least involving one hand and that hand was open, palm down, but for some reason my thumb was folded into the palm. Dunno what we call that, idiocy maybe. But it necessitated an x ray and was a bit annoying for a while. Strained some thumb region muscles.

When I wanged off the R1300GS in Portugal I landed hands/chest first, with lightweight gloves, and thankfully no damage apart from bruised ribs. But then it was a slow speed thing and dusty trail not sandpaper tarmac.

All my gloves are in the garage so I can't check what's covered with my summer Knox. I think it's the same as your winters right. In any case I'm going L2 when I next earn money.
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