Motorcycle Rider Poll

[gibbo]

A chap on the Zed Forum who's doing a Phd on this subject wants as many bike riders as possible to complete this poll, so I thought of you lot on here might be able to join in. It takes a matter of minutes to fill in. 

Go to  https://kwiksurveys.com/s/2vDuOyxp

[Phmode]

Done.

[Gracaz]

completed

[black-k1]

Done.

[JackSnipe]

Done, not sure who currently causes Bike accidents ? On this club I would go for drivers/road surface other genre's of bikers I would go for the bikers themselves.

IAOST

[Phmode]

Unless you are rear-ended sitting at lights (Tim et al), I would think virtually all motorcycle accidents are avoidable and as such are caused by the rider.

Some cars do cross the white line but most conflicts with cars are caused by the bike crossing the line.

Many more bikes leave the road on bends than do cars.

Interestingly he didn't ask about whether drivers see bikes or vice-versa.

[Paul C]

Done. Having guided a few folks through aspects of their PHDs it's a bit basic as a piece of research though. No doubt more will follow.

[Phmode]

Yeah Paul, but PhD's ain't wot they used to be 

[midlife crisis]

done might do a phd do you have to do anything else!!!

[TomL]

Done.

My reason for riding motorcycles is, " for the thrill of it".

[richtea]

I would think virtually all motorcycle accidents are avoidable and as such are caused by the rider.

Not sure I agree.

From 2012 Motorcycle Accident Statistics for Great Britain (but I'm darned if I can find the original source on the UK Gov web site):
'The most common reason for accidents caused by car drivers was by failing to look properly (24%), whereas apart from bus and coach drivers, motorcyclists were the road users least likely to cause an accident for the same reason (16%).' Source: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/march/new-accident-stats-show-large-decrease/

24% sound like they might not have been avoidable by any motorcyclist involved, at the very least.

Many more bikes leave the road on bends than do cars.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/568484/rrcgb-2015.pdf
page 112
(I had to calculate the percentages myself)

Going ahead on a left-hand bend:
% of motorbike accidents = 4.9%
% of car accidents = 3.2%

Going ahead on a right-hand bend:
% of motorbike accidents = 4.8%
% of car accidents = 3.7%


The rate of bike crashes on bends is definitely higher than for cars, but maybe not at the level of 'many'.
Definitely below 'twice as many' for example. I was expecting it to be higher too.

[alaskier]

Done.

T.

[Ned1]

Done 

[black-k1]

Unless you are rear-ended sitting at lights (Tim et al), I would think virtually all motorcycle accidents are avoidable and as such are caused by the rider.

That statement is way to simplistic.  When sharing a road,  regardless of the vehicle being used, every road user has to make certain assumptions regarding both what other road users will do and what the road will be like.  Those assumptions are informed by what can and can't be observed and, from those assumptions decisions are made.  Like all assumptions some can be wrong thus the decisions based upon them can be wrong. If the assumptions are reasonable and the decisions based upon them are sensible then, the fact that they subsequently prove to be wrong, means the accident was not necessarily avoidable.

[gibbo]

I'll try and forward some further info from this chap in due course.