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General forum area => Tyres => Topic started by: gibbo on December 20, 2017, 10:28:54 am
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Just noticed Michelin are bringing out this new version for January 18 launch.
Here's the link:-
www.cambriantyres.co.uk/michelin-pilot-road-5/
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I'm sure I'm not the only miscreant in here who would love to see a test between the PR2, PR3, PR4 & R5...
Just sayin' ::)
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I'll never use Michelins again, had a bad experience with PR3s and PR4s I won't have a bad experience with Michelin Tyres again.
My next tyres will be either Metzlers or Avons.
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I said the same after throwing away a set of concrete Michelin X's in the late '60’s; they only gripped when you didn't want them to and you couldn't wear the buggers out no matter what you did.
Tyres suit some bikes and not others.
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Always said i would never buy Dunlop tyres again after one delaminated on a car many years ago
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Always said i would never buy Dunlop tyres again after one delaminated on a car many years ago
Yeah...but I currently have Michelin PR4's on the bike (having had 3's, 4's and 3's previously) and Michelin Pilot Sport on the car (3rd set from memory)...
What goes around comes around, as does what goes round 8)
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Only had PR4's and then GT's which were a big improvement.
They get me around corners quickly and safely so far so can see no good reason to change.
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Only had PR4's and then GT's which were a big improvement.
They get me around corners quickly and safely so far so can see no good reason to change.
No Road 5 GT until late next year or 2019 :o
Kinda rules them out for my K16 which has some pretty diabolical Bridgestones as OEM. Will have to go for Dunlop RS3 or Metzeler 01.
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The bridgestone BT014’s fitted new to my K12S (kindly, by the seller) nearly killed me they were so bad; unpredictable, not even good in the dry on that bike.
There has always been a 'rumour' about standard OEM tyres on bikes being a different 'recipe' to the after-market tyres of the same make. So many complaints about original tyres which doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever...
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I'm looking forward to the PR5. I loved the PR2s and think the PR4s are just as good (although they cost more!). Both are better than the Metzler offerring
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I thought you had a lifetime's supply of PR2's stashed away...
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Pirelli Angel GTs with the stiffer side walls for me again next time.
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Pirelli Angel GTs with the stiffer side walls for me again next time.
Ditto. GT A = the stiffer walled ones.
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I thought the PR2 and PR3 were good but much prefer the Pirelli Angel GT type A. I think that it maintains it's profile much better than the Michelin's.
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The Angel GTs are excellent tyres if a bit expensive.
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Always said i would never buy Dunlop tyres again after one delaminated on a car many years ago
Yeah...but I currently have Michelin PR4's on the bike (having had 3's, 4's and 3's previously) and Michelin Pilot Sport on the car (3rd set from memory)...
What goes around comes around, as does what goes round 8)
I've always rated Michelins
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You obviously aren't old enough to have driven on concrete X's...
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The Angel GTs are excellent tyres if a bit expensive.
I can get a pair for £240.36 from Tyreleader. I don't find that to expensive but I do fit them myself.
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They aren't cheap, but then again I once managed to chew through a pair of Bridgestones in 2,500 miles on an Aprilia.
Tyre cost = petrol cost at that time (mid 2000s). At least modern tyres last a half-decent distance.
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At least modern tyres last a half-decent distance.
...unfortunately in some cases ::)
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I swear by Michelins on the car, so fitted them a few times to the bike. Last time I decided to try Angel GTs and easily prefer them. They just feel more planted. I can't say how good they are in the wet as I'm too old to knee corners when it's slippery.
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Maybe we need a Christmas poll:
"What's your favoured tyre?"
I seem to be able to create one, but doing so may get me banned. Again. ::)
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That cost for fitting tyres is something that can not never either understand, comprehend and or accept. To the tyre dealer what the heck the product you are selling has to be fitted to work , otherwise there is no use for it.
The sorry excuse that labor is involved leaves me speechless that is even used by some.
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You obviously aren't old enough to have driven on concrete X's...
No I haven't, mainly on cars.
Nowadays there are some good brands for cars and having only had a Vstrom from 2003-2009 for purely commuting, anything that last was what i had.
I'm trying to remember what i tried on the Hayabusa, the standard tyres were very good although once the the front tyre started to saw tooth the handling got very squirmy and it took a lot wrestling to get it round a corner, but that was 17 years ago.
Now the K with a massive 2000 miles on it, will probably still have the moulding hairs on it still (well except the middle 2 inches)
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;D ;D ;D
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Maybe we need a Christmas poll:
"What's your favoured tyre?"
I seem to be able to create one, but doing so may get me banned. Again. ::)
Whadderya mean 'again', I thought you was still banned from the last time 8)
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No-one ever got fired for buying, Michelins.
http://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=2841.30
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The M R 5 is only available currently in 190/50 the bike spec is 190/55 would it alter any characteristics or handling good or bad?
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Get rid of it and get a nice, clean K12S 8)
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After my experience with PR4s making a dive for the nearest tramline I'll never fit Michelins again. Unless I get convincing evidence that the newer tyres are considerably better.
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In the dry, I feel more planted with Angel GTs. In the wet, Michelins are wasted on me as I stay almost upright 😁
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Here is a link for anyone who wants PR 2 https://www.thevisorshop.com/en/Michelin-Pilot-Power-2CT-Motorcycle-Tyre/m-14227.aspx
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In the dry, I feel more planted with Angel GTs. In the wet, Michelins are wasted on me as I stay almost upright
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I now have Michelins PR4s - courtesy of the previous owner. They work perfectly OK, but they don't feel quite as nice as Angels.
However, as someone pointed out previously, road riding isn't going to stress any of these tyres - they'll all be pretty damned good compared to say a 1980s Pirelli Phantom. Eek.
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Having changed from worn PR4GTs (7300 miles) for new PR5s, I thought I’d report my completely anecdotal, totally unscientific comparison between the two.
Firstly, the rear PR4GT was down to the limits when changed, but the front probably had another 1000 miles left in it. I prefer to change my tyres as a pair as my time is worth more than the remaining tread on the front thus I don’t want a second trip to the fitters. It also means I can chop and change tyre manufacturers and models without worrying about possible incompatibilities.
The tyres were fitted using the ride in, ride out service at FWR in south London (highly recommended) and cost £255 for the pair. FWR recommended the PR5 over either the PR4, the PR4GT or the Pirelli Angel GT.
All of my riding on the new tyres has been solo and without luggage. It’s involved a couple of 150 mile round trip commutes, a 270 mile round trip to Birmingham and a couple of blasts down my local favourite lanes.
The PR5s definitely have a lighter feel and are quicker steering. They’re very similar in feel to the Road Tec 01’s.
Wet weather grip is excellent. (But so were the PR4GTs). There has been no feeling of lack of grip at any speed on any wet road I’ve ridden. Although, I’m a bit of a “big girls blouse†when it comes to wet weather riding so I don’t push tyres too hard.
There is no suggestion of white lining in any way, even crossing and re-crossing some very raised, wet, solid white lines at oblique angles.
They give complete confidence in the dry to the point of allowing some pretty serious angles of lean and accepting some substantial doses of throttle while cranked over. This was also true of the PR4GTs and the Road Tec 01s, both allowing removal of the chicken strips, and I’ve no doubt that, given the right road, the chicken strips would go on the PR5s. However, the feel of the PR5s is slightly better.
All in all, very good so far. Assuming they last more than 7000 miles and don’t start reacting to white lines until well-worn then these will be my new favourite tyres. Recommended!
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Thanks for the update on the PR5's, my PR4 GT's are also coming to the end of their life so was looking at the new PR5's, but was put off by the Michelin site not mentioning the 5 as a suitable replacement and pushing the Power RS as the 'best' option, so your review has swung it for me PR 5 it is, thanks again. Ps anybody tried the Power RS? Opinions?
Steve.
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Something I've noticed since fitting the PR5s, my speedo now exactly matches my sat. nav.! Before, with PR4s, my speedo would, at the start of the tyres life, be about 2% to 3% optimistic. Now, tested to speeds up to 90mph (private road officer, honestly!) the speedo and the sat. nav. match exactly once I get the bike to a constant speed. The PR5s must have a slightly larger rolling radius!
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Thanks for the in depth report on the new PR5's David.
Loved 2's, 3's, and 4's so 5's it is for my next boot change.
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Something I've noticed since fitting the PR5s, my speedo now exactly matches my sat. nav.! Before, with PR4s, my speedo would, at the start of the tyres life, be about 2% to 3% optimistic. Now, tested to speeds up to 90mph (private road officer, honestly!) the speedo and the sat. nav. match exactly once I get the bike to a constant speed. The PR5s must have a slightly larger rolling radius!
As a follow-on from this, I've also noticed that the round trip daily journey to work and back, that was consistently 151.3 miles (give or take the odd tenth of a mile) has, since the PR5s, been 148.6 miles per day!!! I can't say that I've noticed the journey being shorter, or the time to/from work being quicker, but any saving is worth having!!! :D
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My alcohol addled brain can't determine if this means a greater or a lesser rolling radius...
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Less rotations because of a greater radius.
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Something I've noticed since fitting the PR5s, my speedo now exactly matches my sat. nav.! Before, with PR4s, my speedo would, at the start of the tyres life, be about 2% to 3% optimistic. Now, tested to speeds up to 90mph (private road officer, honestly!) the speedo and the sat. nav. match exactly once I get the bike to a constant speed. The PR5s must have a slightly larger rolling radius!
As a follow-on from this, I've also noticed that the round trip daily journey to work and back, that was consistently 151.3 miles (give or take the odd tenth of a mile) has, since the PR5s, been 148.6 miles per day!!! I can't say that I've noticed the journey being shorter, or the time to/from work being quicker, but any saving is worth having!!! :D
Does that mean you claim less on mileage expenses? :)
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Something I've noticed since fitting the PR5s, my speedo now exactly matches my sat. nav.! Before, with PR4s, my speedo would, at the start of the tyres life, be about 2% to 3% optimistic. Now, tested to speeds up to 90mph (private road officer, honestly!) the speedo and the sat. nav. match exactly once I get the bike to a constant speed. The PR5s must have a slightly larger rolling radius!
As a follow-on from this, I've also noticed that the round trip daily journey to work and back, that was consistently 151.3 miles (give or take the odd tenth of a mile) has, since the PR5s, been 148.6 miles per day!!! I can't say that I've noticed the journey being shorter, or the time to/from work being quicker, but any saving is worth having!!! :D
Does that mean you claim less on mileage expenses? :)
:D
The company owns the bike so pays for all costs, regardless of miles.
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Had metzelers on my vfr750, was never too fussed with them, always did like for like at tyre changes , then just before selling put on PR3, and WOW, maybe it was in my head but they felt great.
VFR800 came with bridgestones on her and always felt like i was tip toeing on them in the wet, stuck on PR3s again and seemed better.
Cant recall what i have on the K12 just now but seem ok, but i think come next tyre change , i know what i'll be sticking on
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hmm, went for the Metzeler Roadtecs 01 again. Fitted on Monday and always feel plante don these especially in wet.
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I'm getting Metzeler Roadtec 01 things fitted again this month. If Don Plante lets me :P
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Bike had 10year old Michelin hyper sporty style tyres on...fitter said right off the bat , you'll notice the difference,...oh aye...PR5s :)
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I had new Metzeler Roadtecs fitted a while back, which I actually liked quite a lot.
The rear was replaced with a Dunlop SportSmart out of expediancy - but I never liked it much.
The front Metzler was still ok for a bit but I opted to swap the tyres as a pair and after wondering about the Michelin Power RS I had a pair of PilotRoad 5s fitted.
There was a moment of buyer regret when I saw a pair of PowerRS next to my PR5s - very nice looking tyre.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Ejpz3aYdjFZg_kh3L8C5zWbvmLZQ0seW
I like new tyres - they always seem so much better than the old ones. These PR5s seem to turn in better and seem to be very sticky, but is that because they are new, or the weather is warm, or they really are a step forward? They certainly inspire confidence and I am very happy. Let's see how they last - fitted at 24,770 ...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dYqJtcFF8z0zDmVtBYdMo8NW8bLrcYO1
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but is that because they are new,
Yes 8)
Come back and tell is what they are like when you have 12,000 miles on them ;)
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A friend had his second set of PR5s installed on his Yamaha R1 Monday. He says he wont use anything else....
I'm going to try the Pirelli Angel GT II next on my K1200S