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Airbags in 2024
« on: November 15, 2024, 10:14:30 am »
Last night an eagerly awaited video from Bennetts BikeSocial appeared. That's right, the Best motorcycle airbag HONEST [I fricking hate this word on youtube videos] review.

I know the article itself was published a while back, and I did read it and then forget it, but I always enjoy John's presentation style so was looking forward to seeing the full episode.

I had a few thoughts, primarily:

1. Well done France for muddying the waters over regulatory standards. Although perhaps it's useful as I've discounted all the ones on 'the left' of the screen that are 'CRITT' whist not necessarily EN1621-4.

2. I really wanted to find a clever-computer airbag, but after about 15 or 20 minutes in I was/am finding it harder and harder to look past the MotoAirBag V4 or M1. These two are mechanically-triggered, requiring attachment to a - variety of optional and one basic - supplied tether.

3. Of the digital ones, there always seems to be a drawback, be it lack of guaranteed waterproof (oh hi Sena) or slightly iffy battery capacity. The one I like the look of most here is the Alpinestars Tech-Air 3, which can be used in the rain.

Comparing the two (or 3, as M1 and V4 are I believe identical underneath) as best I can without more coffee:

Coverage: Winner MotoAirBag
 - The MotoAirBag has these very well thought-out pop-up/down airbag compartments at the top and bottom, to give a lot more support to the neck and bum-spine areas respectively. After the clips from his chats with clever people, I am really keen to avoid that hyperextension or whatever it's called. The clip he showed of the - I am sure very well prepared for - company's own rear-ending test was very impressive. It was as if the two were on stretchers made of air.


 - The Tech-Air 3 is without any explicit neck support, which reads on the article like a conscious decision by Alpinestars. Obviously there's some protection as it expands, so perhaps it's not quite as bad as it sounds.


MotoAirBag wins as more coverage is better in my opinion/for my requirements

Living with the Trigger: Winner Tech-Air
 - Note my get-out-of-jail title for this section. I'm in no way positioned to judge the efficacy of the trigger, but I can suggest how well I might get on with it.
 - The MotoAirBag has a tether, and what appears to be a pretty impressive 'fast lock' mechanism that can determine acceleration of the non-elastic tether and trigger it very quickly. This seems to my little brain much better than the elastic tethers that just rely on reaching the full extension of the tether. As those who ride with me know, I like to stand up, sit down, move about, write a novel and do all sorts of strange manoeuvres whilst riding, and this would be fine with that. Off-road stuff too, obviously. The only downside is habit-forming as we get older gets more difficult! One must remember to clip in and clip out. I managed this with climbing because the outcomes were more immediate. Hopefully I'd manage it with this.


 - The Tech-Air 3 uses accelerometers and suchlike, plus an app - a fricking app, they know my weaknesses! - and a battery, and no tether. It just works out if you're (it's) accelerating more than possible without outside intervention, and triggers as necessary. The downside I see from this is similar to the downside of every single piece of modern tech we have; the next OTA update could accidentally stop it working correctly because a test-coverage issue, a syntax error, an outsourcing deal to a definitely-both-cheap-and-high-quality-and-quick 3rd party dev supplier, or any number of potential dev lifecycle issues that many of us are familiar with from all different sides. When comparing to the above MotoAirBag then, there's no tether to remember, but there is charging it to remember. Now, I'm pretty good at remembering to charge my Sena comms every night on a trip, though if I forget, I can generally make it through another day of riding. The Tech-Air claims up to 40 hours on a charge, so for this suit I should be ok. NB: I think one of the Dianese ones has a 12 hour battery, and that would be troublesome. Oh, and it looks like it turns itself on and off based on a mag switch on the zip.


Tech-Air 3 wins because the title is 'living with' and having fewer things to remember makes life easier.

Wearing Over/Under: Draw
Given I spent so much on that idiot textile outfit I have, and it's actually been taken in to fit me properly, whatever I get has to go on the outside.
 - MotoAirBag weighs 2.76Kg. John rode in 36c with it and seemed happy enough. Whilst losing whatever jacket pockets are underneath, this one has at least one front pocket that he got his passport, keys, and a fricking insta360 camera in. Also the material is all mesh type stuff and marketed as breathable. I like this given my aforementioned textile stuff is all breathable by default.
  - In a future where I get a made-to-measure leather suit, this loses as it's designed to be worn over.

 - Tech-Air 3 weights 1.82Kg. The only potential issue John mentioned was the placement of the inflator - lower left back - can bang against a raised pillion seat. So trying it out on the bike would be useful. Though he had this on the 1250GS and that does have a huge rear seat wall/step at the back of the rider seat, and he did have it set forward. I think I'd be ok on the KTM. It isn't specifically breathable, Pockets aren't mentioned as being present. So us keyless lot might struggle/faff more.
  - This can be worn over or under, so my imaginary suit - provided it was made with this in mind - would be fine to wear over the top.

Price: Winner Tech-Air
 - MotoAirBag V4 (with the mesh jacket thing as well): £625
 - MotoAirBag V4 (just the airbag gilet): £550 (the one i'd go for. I have enough arms)
 - Alpinestars Tech-Air 3: £520

Living Costs: Winner: MotoAirBag
 - MotoAirBag V4:
  - Service every 4 years: £102 (so about £126 in 4 years time, taking inflation into account)
  - No subscription
  - Cost of a non-contact deployment (ie if it isn't sliding down't road requiring repair): £50 - two cylinders and some key to replace them
  - Cost of a contact deployment: £100-300 for a repaid/re-build.

 - Tech-Air 3:
  - Service every 2 years: £60
  - No subscription
  - Cost of a non-contact deployment: £150-200
  - Cost of a contact deployment: £150+

Well. That was fun. I was hoping in typing this out I'd come to a decision. @black-k1, could you remind me what you use please? I did a bit of PH'ing and read Helite, but was that a while back or is it still the case? Anybody else regularly using one yet?

I like tech, I like data, and the Tech-Air has that fancy app. I also need to read more about the Tech-Air 5 (£670). And, you know, try some on.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2024, 10:20:46 am by Matt »
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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2024, 04:38:32 pm »
I watched the video this morning, very informative.

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2024, 06:01:43 pm »
I'm listening to Airbag right now - great band with undertones of Pink Floyd - but more interesting. Try The Greatest Show on Earth.

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2024, 07:41:07 pm »
Excellent write-up, Matt.

My notes:
- don't just rely on an airbag - have (good!) passive protection too
- air bags can give you hyperextension protection, passive protection can't
- CRITT airbags don't necessarily pass EN1621-4, whereas EN1621-4 air bags can pass CRITT, i.e. EN1621-4 is the better standard
- the electronic airbag standard is coming in 2025, something to consider if you're tempted by electroncially fired ones
- I should be wearing a chest protector

Previously I've been thinking I should get a new custom suit.
Now I'm thinking I should just buy the MotoAirBag M1 and pop it on top. It can always go underneath a new suit in another year or so.

Trouble is I won't buy online because I need to be sure it fits my er svelte figure, so I'll hang on until Sportsbikeshop / other stock it.
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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2024, 07:51:33 pm »
Oh lord yes the chest protection thing just made me look back at my relatively short riding life, always wearing armour but not until I started doing offroad - and fell on my chest and then witnessed someone else break some ribs - did I start even thinking about chest protection.

Good point on new standard. I'm going to aim to have one by June in any case.

I think it's great we're touching the £500 mark for what are apparently decent bits of kit now.


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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2024, 10:31:02 am »
Having dragged myself screaming and kicking into the 20th century a couple of years ago by ditching my old Autocom intercom and radio set up in favour of the noisy and largely useless Sena stuff, I can now reveal the only advantage to me of that move. I no longer have to stop 200 yards up the road after every single coffee stop/photo op/fuel fill up to reconnect my umbilical cord to the bike. And bear in mind that with the intercomm there was the obvious reminder of total silence from the sat nav to remind to connect, whereas with the airbag, no such reminder.

Having used the Autocom system since Pontious was a pilot, I never, not once (almost) ever remembered to plug myself in before setting off apart from sometimes, on the first ride off of the day.

So, any airbag system I use will either have to be a non-tethered system or one that won't let me start the bike unless it is plugged in otherwise, as I plummet earthwards following an oops, I will be wondering what that flappy nylon cord thingy is that is flailing around uselessly in front of me.

So, decision made then.

Nice write up young sir.

As an aside, I note that Noraly no longer uses that Rev-it neck brace she has worn for the last few seasons but instead seems to be wearing some sort of vest which I assume is an air bag system.
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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2024, 04:53:29 pm »
I've got a Tech-Air 7x, but haven't got round to trying it yet. The canisters are user replaceable and there are two, so you can fall off twice in one ride. It's an 'inside' type and I'm not convinced there's enough space in either my leather or Rukka jacket with the back protector removed. I guess I could pump it up with the adapter and see what it's like. Or it could be a new category for a Darwin Award.

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2024, 11:07:34 am »
 ;D ;D

I don't get the inner ones. If any jacket has enough room inside for the thing to fit even uninflated, then surely it is going to be flapping around in the breeze.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2024, 11:54:05 am »
;D ;D

I don't get the inner ones. If any jacket has enough room inside for the thing to fit even uninflated, then surely it is going to be flapping around in the breeze.

They're not as strong as leather/textile, so they are better worn inside.

Excess space is made by having expandable areas - concertined / elasticated panels or similar, i.e. you should have a jacket designed for an inner airbag, not just a really baggy jacket.

Another minor advantage is you may be able to re-use an inside airbag that's been down the road. An outer airbag may well not be repairable after hitting tarmac, whereas well made leather and textile jackets are, in general.

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2024, 12:27:02 pm »
Ah, so we are not talking about just sticking an inner air bag vest under your existing jacket... :o

I reckon, like a helmet, if you go down the road then an air bag vest is considered a consumable that has done its job. Assuming it did. If it didn't then getting it repaired will be the last thing on your mind.

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2024, 05:26:38 pm »
The concern with "inside" airbags is if, like most people in the west, you enjoy your pies, and then discover that there's more of you than there was last year, then that's what will fill the space in the jacket. If/when the airbag is set off, it now has nowhere to expand into, but it will still expand! Either the jacket will need to give (not good and highly unlikely) or your body gives! (Ouch!)

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2024, 08:42:23 am »
So when I get a suit made it needs double expansion panels :D. One for the airbag and one for me!

The MotoAirbag looks pretty decent with regard to surviving a slide. And they suggest it's 'modular' so they just sew in whichever bit you wore down :/. Not so sure about the Alpinestars until I poke one.
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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2024, 09:37:37 am »
I am tempted by motoairbag V4 which is a mesh jacket as well. I emailed Sportsbikeshop to see if and when they would stock them and they are waiting for a delivery date from the manufacturer.

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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2024, 10:14:05 am »
I don't know about everyone else but my Plan A is to not have a crash and need an airbag.

If I have to use Plan B then, to be honest, the cost of completely replacing a vest that has "worn through" is likely to be a very small part of the overall cost and a price I have not concerns about paying.
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Re: Airbags in 2024
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2024, 06:41:03 pm »
I've just ordered a Scott Leathers made-to-measure two piece suit with the new inner Helite inner air bag. Expansion panels are standard.
Pie-related extra volume compensation wasn't offered.

Why?
I came to the conclusion it's better to actually buy one rather than keep putting it off. That, and Ms Cashmere forgot to put a limit on my credit card before I visited Motorcycle Live. ;D

The inner Helite is also pretty tidy IMHO. It's the first time I've seen one.
It's electronic so you need to charge it, and electronics are more likely to go wrong compared to a strap. But I value the convenience more.

The (potentially) slightly sub-standard CRITT tests that Helite conforms to isn't quite so worrying to me, i.e. tests where you can poke a sharp object between the bladder areas, because the Helite is inside the passive protection of back and chest protectors. The passive protection is going to take the initial hit/poke/jab, not me or the Helite.

The expansion areas give me the option to swap the airbag to a different model another year if CRITT is found to be sub-standard - at a cost, obvs.

I'll let you know how I get on.
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