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General forum area => K1200 / K1300 Forum => Topic started by: runnerboy on April 16, 2024, 09:55:02 pm

Title: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: runnerboy on April 16, 2024, 09:55:02 pm
The time has come to sell one of the K’s, I love the idea of keeping both but realistically unless I consider it as a long term risk reduction for the other K, it should go.
Before that though, I’d like to have the valves checked for the next owner. Can anyone recommend a workshop who will do the work at a reasonable rate, in the Midlands?
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: richtea on April 16, 2024, 10:45:17 pm
You could try Behind Bars in Kenilworth. Andy Spencer the owner is trustworthy and competent. I'm not sure he's a K expert, but he's certainly worked on plenty of BMWs, so there shouldn't be any surprises in a K.

The trouble with K valve checks is that it's inherently expensive because of the time to strip the bodywork down.

You almost want to do a deal where you strip it, push it into workshop, he does the valves, then push it out and stick all the plastic back on. Probably wouldn't go down well with most indies though.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: chriscanning on April 17, 2024, 08:14:31 am
Look forward to replies cuz ever since the demise of Clark’s on top of the Lickies and the complete lack of any attempt from BMW to fill the gap,their are good mechanics out there(as in put a 1300 gearbox in my 1200 as a favour ) but I’ve been looking for a true independent ever since and that’s got to be 6 years or more.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: andym2 on April 17, 2024, 09:23:15 am
I’d try Behind Bars too. It’s actually not that difficult to check the valves, you just need time, a vacuum filler for the cooling system and a puller to get the coil packs out. If they need adjustment (most don’t) you need a special tool to remove the camshafts and the shims.

As well as the time, dealers will usually change the plugs @ £40 each while it’s apart.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Phmode on April 17, 2024, 02:39:47 pm
You could try Behind Bars in Kenilworth. Andy Spencer the owner is trustworthy and competent. I'm not sure he's a K expert, but he's certainly worked on plenty of BMWs, so there shouldn't be any surprises in a K.

The trouble with K valve checks is that it's inherently expensive because of the time to strip the bodywork down.

You almost want to do a deal where you strip it, push it into workshop, he does the valves, then push it out and stick all the plastic back on. Probably wouldn't go down well with most indies though.

You can strip the bodywork and ride it to them. I did that when I had the K12 cleaned and sealed with wossisname...
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: richtea on April 17, 2024, 03:13:46 pm
You can strip the bodywork and ride it to them. I did that when I had the K12 cleaned and sealed with wossisname...

Good idea!
Do they run OK without the thermometer attached? (attached to the left lower fairing)
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Phmode on April 17, 2024, 04:18:33 pm
Leave it connected and just gaffa tape it to the side of the ECU. It is only the ambient air temp gauge.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: runnerboy on April 17, 2024, 10:02:20 pm
Thanks all, I have used Andy for a fair bit of work and also found him trustworthy, the K was with him when I was trying to sort the noise issue, I will swing past and ask him. As it happens I was at Sytner (old Rybrook) in Warwick today for my GS service. They quoted £210.00 for just the valve check, any other work would be on top. Will update here once I pop past Andy.

As it happens I have been riding it without the air temp sensor, new one is on the work bench.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Phmode on April 17, 2024, 10:23:15 pm
£210 for the valve check seems very reasonable. I shall file that under 'Interesting!'
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Matt on April 18, 2024, 07:50:10 am
£210 for the valve check seems very reasonable. I shall file that under 'Interesting!'

It does! Nice and easy to get at them there. Turn that 180 degree to a... Whatever V degrees my ktm is and that price more than doubles!

Oh. And you know. Rotate it 90 degrees so the heads are hidden inboard somewhere. Ahem.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: richtea on April 19, 2024, 10:01:07 pm
Randomly found this chap not too far over in Northamptonshire, who might be helpful:

Ian Joyce, Bike Motor Works (see what he did there)
Long Lodge Farm, Main Road, Grendon, NN7 1JW
Mob:07890 085891

I can see he's serviced a K1300GT at some point, so it's not just boxers.

Ref:
https://www.ukgser.com/community/threads/bike-motor-works-grendon-northants.356981/

Address and number from here:
https://www.misterwhat.co.uk/company/2007792-bike-motor-works-northampton
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: runnerboy on April 20, 2024, 08:15:36 pm
Cheers, will take a look. Got out early today to go to Elan Valley - lucked out with very little traffic, superb ride. Will have to make work of the valve check next week now, but good weather is so rare these days, it had to be done.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Phmode on April 21, 2024, 08:49:42 am
And although we won't be getting the same weather you got, we're off to mid Wales for a day or three so hope we have no traffic either. Remember - 20mph, 20mph, 20mph...
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: richtea on April 26, 2024, 09:53:21 pm
And although we won't be getting the same weather you got, we're off to mid Wales for a day or three so hope we have no traffic either. Remember - 20mph, 20mph, 20mph...

I stuck to 23mph just outside of Stirling yesterday. The local behind me just swept past at 40mph. But it was rush hour. Hey ho.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Matt on April 27, 2024, 09:15:57 am
And although we won't be getting the same weather you got, we're off to mid Wales for a day or three so hope we have no traffic either. Remember - 20mph, 20mph, 20mph...

I stuck to 23mph just outside of Stirling yesterday. The local behind me just swept past at 40mph. But it was rush hour. Hey ho.

Child murderer! You that is at 23mph. The guy at 40 was past before the kids came out </clichedjoke>

How was/is Scotland? Did you have a nice time?
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: Phmode on April 27, 2024, 09:21:38 am
I didn't realise that Stirling was in Wales!

By and large the 20 zones in Welsh Wales were fairly well obeyed. I mean by the populace at large, we obviously stuck to no more than 23-24, but it is hard on a bike.

The confusing bit was the inconsistency. Before 20 was even a thing, you knew 30 was 30 apart from school zones, streetlights being the giveaway. But now, some 20 zones on MRA were back to 30. I don't recall any actual 20's that were shown as 30 so we were always on the right side of things.

And, unlike my expectations which were that they had simply swapped out 30 signs for 20's, there seemed to be places where it still went 40 - 30 - 20 - 30 - 40.

Now that they are rowing back on the blanket stuff, unless they are going to put 20 repeater signs where it IS 20, then I can see lots of utter confusion ensuing.
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: richtea on April 27, 2024, 11:34:17 am
20mph makes sense around schools and in the centre of towns/cities because of pedestrians.
It doesn't make sense on a very long straight road in Scotland where no one is around.

Maybe it should be 20mph only if a pedestrian is visible.

And Scotland was lovely and sunny! We stayed in The Pineapple (https://www.nts.org.uk/visit/places/the-pineapple):

(https://ntswebstorage01.blob.core.windows.net/nts-web-assets-production/imager/general/150299/Pineapple-walled-garden-0218_6428e7988c0c884aa3952ec4c00377be.jpg)

Possibly the best folly in the UK.

The leaves allow the 'infrequent' rainwater to roll down from leaf to leaf and out, rather than seeping into the walls. The 4 urns on the garden wall are actually chimneys. Some anonymous person had fun designing that in the 1760s.

Anyway, back to independent engineers!
Title: Re: Trusted Independent in Warwickshire - valve check?
Post by: runnerboy on April 28, 2024, 06:23:25 pm
Update, popped past Andy at Behind Bars, for me it confirmed he wasn’t keen. His suggestion was  along the lines of whether or not it was necessary as he hadn’t had to adjust valves on a K for a long time, and they usually don’t need adjusting. Also mentioned a 6 hour job, which makes me want to confirm the BMW price I was quoted. Which I will do when I get back to the UK.

Would still prefer to sell it as checked.