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Re: K1200S
« Reply #345 on: October 13, 2018, 12:16:59 pm »
Man knows how to pack it courier proof







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Re: K1200S
« Reply #346 on: October 13, 2018, 02:46:17 pm »
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« Reply #347 on: October 13, 2018, 03:40:06 pm »
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #348 on: October 18, 2018, 05:23:56 pm »
Here's the old clutch. Available to anyone else who might want to go the same route.  Also my fronthe brake pads that were replaced to get through the MOT. Sticky pistons or dodgy pad - 1 out of 4 down to the metal?




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Re: K1200S
« Reply #349 on: October 19, 2018, 07:41:08 pm »
Sorry, forgot to tell you the cost. Ocean charged me £124 + VAT to fit the clutch, labour new gasket and 18 new screws. I missed the screws first time round as I was still grappling with the cost of the brake pads. And only now read there were 18 of them. Anyhow have ridden it around the block and no nasty noises or kangarooing. Going for a run over the weekend
John charged me £620 to rebuild the clutch, and £10 for the courier
The second-hand clutch was £165 which John bought off ebay
Total £944.
Its been an expensive month...
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #350 on: October 21, 2018, 06:35:07 pm »
Went out for a 150 mile blip around Cornwall today with son#2 on his Fireblade. 86000 up.



Rather than just sticking it in 6th and droning along as much of my recent riding has been, we had a good old thrape along the A39 up to Bude, cross country to Liskeard and back along the A38. The clutch is much smoother and so is the bike. The enormous crash into 1st gear seems to have mostly disappeared. Pulling away its possible to feather the clutch, we now have a fader instead of an on/off switch. Clutchless changes especially down shifts are much easier. Getting it into neutral while the engine is running is now easily possible. Below 7000 there are a lot less vibes, in the largely still air today it was just so smooth, apart from there's a rough patch around 7000, and above that, well, I found the rev limiter again.
Just like having a clutch really  8)
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #351 on: October 23, 2018, 08:39:48 am »
John Sykes said "Changes without clutch better as there is no free play in the basket damping so much more positive."
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« Reply #352 on: October 23, 2018, 01:34:51 pm »
It is strange that the springs in the BMW basket do not take up the free play.
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #353 on: October 23, 2018, 01:48:11 pm »
I don't know enough about the clutch construction I'm afraid. The rebuilt clutch does include the K13 anti chatter springs and new set of springs and plates so should be nice and tight. With a worn out clutch is there opportunity for the clutch internals to move about/bounce on the springs?
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #354 on: October 23, 2018, 01:55:29 pm »
It is my considered opinion that clutch design is more of an art than a science, especially multi-plate bike clutch systems.

If you had the problems inherent in even a 'good' K clutch (and I think both my K12 and K13 are 'good' ones) in a BMW car, the dealer would be whipping it out and binning it; clunking and lurching into first, what's all that about?

Other marques of bike manage to have some civility in their clutches, why are ours so gawd awful?
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #355 on: October 23, 2018, 01:59:26 pm »
Its called "character" I think, a term often used by the bike press and marque aficionados to describe some god-awful problem a bike has. As opposed to "bland" where everything works and hardly ever breaks.
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #356 on: October 23, 2018, 02:01:46 pm »
Give me bland every time  ;)
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #357 on: October 23, 2018, 02:02:51 pm »
Correct!

I now have a bland Honda sitting alongside my characterful K13 and I fully expect it to run as sweetly and as faultlessly as a very expensive Swiss watch.

As opposed to the Swiss cheese analogy of the K...
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #358 on: October 23, 2018, 04:40:45 pm »
Strangely the six springs shown on your image are loose in a new clutch basket.
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Re: K1200S
« Reply #359 on: October 23, 2018, 05:47:13 pm »
Quote from: Phmode on October 23, 2018, 02:02:51 pm
Correct!

I now have a bland Honda sitting alongside my characterful K13 and I fully expect it to run as sweetly and as faultlessly as a very expensive Swiss watch.

As opposed to the Swiss cheese analogy of the K...

And then again...
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