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General forum area => K1200 / K1300 Forum => Topic started by: Coully on January 11, 2019, 06:40:04 pm
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The last 2 days when I've been stopping and turning the key to off the bike still kinda runs but dies gradually, where turning the key back to on she restarts . This has happened once before after I got her back from getting new plugs/ airbox / icv. Yesterday when it happened I restarted gave it a min then stopped and she stopped. I checked at lunch time and she started ok ...filled her up and she did it when I got back to work so a quick once round the block and a few goes at turning off and was ok.run home was fine starting this morning fine ...stopping at work it happened again and I just let it go this time . Didn't check at lunch time and I've come out and she won't start....just a click...lights on...dash on all ok but press start and just a click.
Went and bought a new battery just in case(was told when getting recalls done it needed a top up and a few cold mornings it's struggled )...fitted it ...nothing changes.
Starter motor? I've no clue and any help appreciated
Dunc (A bit desperate)
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I think that's a new one on us Duncan. Not sure I have any ideas, someone else will be along shortly with some ideas.
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Blimey...a new one for the books eh!
The cynic in me wants to think it's not deliberate error on BMW s part..in rushing to put the bike back together they've maybe not tightened a wire or such. Given it happened the 1st time just after I got the bike back . But certainly then and yesterday I had taken it into reserve fuel .. but today ..a full tank .
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If the bike is dying slowly when the key is turned off it must have some residual current trickling through, or fuel is getting through after the key is turned off.
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As it stands , bike left at work. Going to have to get it recovered tomorrow morning.
I'm thinking just to the nearest place which would be the honda garage, if it's a straightforward swap out old part put in new .
Rather than the rigmarole with bmw..
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Well good luck with a BM in a Honda garage...I doubt they will even know where to start. And as to which part you think they are going to swap :o
If a BM dealer fitted a new airbox and ICV then there are lots of pipes and stuff, the secondary air supply system etc. etc. and the set up of the ICV. I would have had it back to the dealer within minutes of the first problem and tell em to get it right. If the Honda dealer touches it then BM won't be too happy at having it back as 'someone else has been fiddling with it'.
Dieseling, or running-on is a pain and the causes can be numerous but a hot-spot in the combustion chamber is the most likely culprit and this is most commonly caused by the plugs. If you want to terrify yourself take a look here...
https://www.howacarworks.com/illustrations/causes-of-running-on
...or here...
https://axleaddict.com/auto-repair/Why-My-Engine-Keeps-Running
Wrong plugs can be a cause, (s'funny that they have just changed them) as can fuelling issues (s'funny they have just had the airbox and ICV out).
Get the BMW dealer to collect it and fix it. I can almost guarantee that it is their work that is causing it.
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Noted, I only say honda as to the best of my knowledge , Aberdeen BMW have no technicians (as of the 21st dec) ....but I'll try them tomorrow
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I should've after the 1st time but it was so close to Xmas and they'd stuck me with a wee 300cc puddle jumper I just wanted mine back.
And that was the 1st time it happened, then just the last couple of days .
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I'm going to go in 1st thing tomorrow, and get collection sorted and a courtesy bike
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Noted, I only say honda as to the best of my knowledge , Aberdeen BMW have no technicians (as of the 21st dec) ....but I'll try them tomorrow
I'm confused. Are the technicians still on holiday, or do they literally have no technicians employed?
The latter deserves a call to BMW HQ to say "WTF are you playing at? How am I expected to keep my bike running? Please come and take it to a working BMW garage."
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Both have left ,
Which I find funny as they were trained up to do cars too,..why not up skill the car techs to do bikes eh!
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To the best of my knowledge I should add.
I think I recall being told a few years back that Aberdeen would send it's bikes to Dundee to get work done.
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Just been in to bmw ...they have a bike tec and a new lad starting
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Got to use recovery via insurance (Bennetts & RAC) , and ironically enough it's been contracted out to the same company bmw would use :o, but hey ho.
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To the best of my knowledge I should add.
I think I recall being told a few years back that Aberdeen would send it's bikes to Dundee to get work done.
Back in the day when Cooper BMW in Reading had a Motorrad department, almost all of their bike work was put in a van and driven straight over to North Oxford Garage and then driven back again. And, having seen some of the work that came out of Coopers, the aforementioned relationship would have suited me much better 8)
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That's the difference these days ...mechanics vs technicians as it were.
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Brian mentioned Dieseling earlier in the thread, but I would have thought in these days of fuel injectors that was prety much a thing of the past.
In the good old days of carburetors, they were qite happy giving out fuel as long as there was air passing through them.
But with injectors, fuel ceases as soon as the ignition is turned off.
Maybee the ignition switch is falling apart inside & shorting contacts, which would also explain the flat batter.
Or perhaps water has got into the wiring somewhere shorting something out.
The starter relay is also at he back of the engine which probably got disturbed in the recent work, something might be shorting there as it has a permanent 12v supply.
No doubt we'll find out once BMW get their grubby mits on it.
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For sure I've never heard of dieseling on an FI motor but the second link I gave does show indicators of Dieseling on FI engines so it is not unheard of in the automotive world.
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Dieselling just as good a term ...be one of those are old ones like....and now my mind has gone blank lol. When a new name can't be thought of but it's similar to an old problem . Sorry ..rambling.. done in after 80min of egg chasing today.
Cheers once again tho lads.
Needless to say I got it to BMW today so come Monday or so when they can get stuck in ...her as hoping I can score a good courtesy bike :)
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Good luck Coully. And look on the bright side: Once you've got an answer to this, you'll increase the sum of EuroKClub knowledge for future generations! :)
Now, prior to the spring could we start gathering intel on KTMs please.
Brian: I'd forgotten (if you told me before) or maybe I didn't know that Reading Cooper Troopers used to do bikes too. That sounds mad though, posting them north to get done! I wonder who paid for that! I've only been to Coopers once, which was when Accenture promised us all company cars... which never happened! It would have been a crappy eD 316d anyway, so it's probably a good thing, I have enough mental problems.
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A friend had a BMW Scarver which went into Coopers for a service. In removing the rear wheel (I think to fit a new drive belt) they managed to break their one and only rear hub nut socket...which was made of plastic :o
He had to wait a whole day for them to get a real socket to do the job. I mean, Halfords are just down the road fer evans sake...
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In to John Clark today, well, this morning, can't get a bike as they only have 2 , 1 is off the road and the other is booked out. I might have been offered a car...I'm not sure.
I'll get a bike wed/Thurs. They don't think they'll get to my bike till wed or so anyway.
I'm less than enthused about their customer service tbh..
2 loan bikes , compared to ...and I'll hold my hands up to bias up to 5 demonstrators at honda that, if they weren't booked , you could get. I got a brand new R1 for a day last year...(A nice toy but you couldn't live with one ...lol) ...against my 18yr old £1600 vfr800. That's not too shabby.
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Call from BMW , bike stripped and fault tracked to starter relay. Part will arrive tomorrow and they'll recheck once the relay is fitted .
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Hmmm?
First time I've heard of a stater relay causing a bike to not STOP rather than not START 8)
Microsoft START button anyone... :o
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yeah, at this moment i'll take what i can get , since they've gotten to it earlier than anticipated.
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Oh yeah! Not knocking the service at this point and if it really is just a start relay you should be getting off lightly in the wallet department to boot 8)
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Got everything crossed ::)
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Got everything crossed ::)
Not wires, I hope ;D
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:P boom boom
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Got everything crossed ::)
Not wires, I hope ;D
That's a cracker!
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Aww min...dinna encourage him!! ::)
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Bike back, running a little sweeter ..relay changed and £270 quid lighter :'(
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What did they do in the end?
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Changed the start relay he said...for £270 :o
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I know that's what they were going to do before it went in, I wondered if that was what they actually did.
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A bit of fault finding. Checked starter motor .. then switch... god knows what the part cost ::)... the cynic in me thinks they might have tidied up previous work as she's running a lot smoother, lower idle,...etc...
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Operations :
Carried out quick test , no faults stored for start issue
Carried out components test, removed fairing and fuel tank to gain access to starter motor
Checked starter switch and wiring , found starter motor relay faulty
£115.90
Replace starter motor relay and reassembled bike
£97.60
Starter relay £13.34
Inc Tax = £270 odd quid :-[
but as stated , she was running better when i collected her, lower idle etc so maybe a quick squint over tidied up some previous work....who knows. The main tech they have now is a bike owner , not to say the previous lads weren't but maybe just a more common sense approach applied by a biker rather than a tech ...if you know what i mean.
Aaaaaaaand now of course we have snow up here, so at least i have the bike home albeit i cannot use it currently .....ah well , wee victories