Quote from: Phmode on Yesterday at 03:14:22 pm

It was, of course, a sweeping statement and all sweeping statements are false. Most of the time 

I think the behaviour you had described is "kind of" us bikers' behaviour : ride with traffic's flow, but if the opportunity presents itself, overtake the row in the blink of an eye. Bikes do it on 2 wheels, EV's do it on 4.

Er, no Phillipe. I have yet to see an ev being driven anything like 'we' bikers do, ie, overtaking anything on non-motorway type roads. My complaint is they use their acceleration to baulk following cars from overtaking on the few straights we have around here but then don't do anything about overtaking themselves. Not all ev drivers of course, just some of them.

And of course, most ev drivers are more interested in the so-called free power or are early adopters but even lowly ev's have quite startling acceleration from low speed, a basic function of the electric motor.

From conversations with other riders, most are not remotely sporty car drivers. I and apparently Andy, are the only two I know of who drive the same way they ride. I realise that, by definition, this forum is populated by those who appreciate and mostly use, the 'sports' bit of the sports-tourer tag of the K but unless you are a weekend warrior I doubt most of us ever see many really fast bikes out there. Over four days in mid- and north Wales this week, there were plenty of bikes out there but most were admiring the view or making a little progress at best. And that's OK. I never moan about slower riders because even in the car they pose no problems to me making progress.

It's those damned ev's that wind me up...

My car is a real quick one, bikes get in my way of overtakes sometimes. I can almost see the surprised eyes in their helmets when they look in their mirror during a quick overtake and see my car gaining on them. But I do always honour the bikes to do their thing when I'm a car wa ker.

Nissan Note?

It was, of course, a sweeping statement and all sweeping statements are false. Most of the time 

I think the behaviour you had described is "kind of" us bikers' behaviour : ride with traffic's flow, but if the opportunity presents itself, overtake the row in the blink of an eye. Bikes do it on 2 wheels, EV's do it on 4.

b) they never drive fast anyway......Some do, sometimes

My technique also for dealing with up ramps. I had a particularly difficult exit from an underground hotel car park in Vernon
It was very steep with a sharp left hand turn. I had to take the panniers off and get Melanie to stand at the top and give me the go signal, the last thing I needed was a car coming in as I was leaving.

I have just had a look at Vianden on Google streets and as far as I can tell there are no cobbles on our route.