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Title: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on August 16, 2018, 12:49:01 pm
Another loan bike from NOG (thanks NOG) - a 2018 S1000XR with a top box.

TLDR:
- sports bike engine with the touring equipment, but somehow still not a sports tourer. But still a fun bike to ride, and better than the initial version.

Pros:
- its definitely smoother than the one I tried in 2016. Much better.
- excellent suspension, better than a K. It feels a bit soft when in 'road' (aka middling) mode, but then again its probably that the K is too hard.
- the quickshifter works in BOTH directions. Now that is fun  ;D ;D ;D

Cons:
- still buzzy. We're talking around 4k RPM at 60mph. That's not the relaxed feel of a tourer.
- seat is initially more comfortable than the K, but after an hour you realise you can't move around - its one position only. No back/forward movement is possible.
- wind protection isn't as good as a K1300S

Other points:
- handlebars are riddled with buttons - 9 on the left, 3 on the right. Do I really need all those? Its going the way of car entertainment systems, methinks. Stuff I don't need, but have to buy. After all, I managed to get home by only using 2 of them.
- radiators are wide open to the elements, although the smaller finned one isn't low down like a K
- lots of leg space for GanglyPeeps
- quite slow to take off as though the fly-by-wire dampens the throttle effect at low speeds. I'm sure you get used to it, but it does feel like a 125 for the first few moves away from a standstill. Not ideal when the first exit from NOG is dual carriageway.
- its got a chain

(http://www.poqit.com/s1000xr1.jpg)

(http://www.poqit.com/s1000xr2.jpg)

(http://www.poqit.com/s1000xr3.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on August 16, 2018, 09:27:39 pm
Argh that colour scheme! What's that little triangle of disgusting blue bright thing doing too?

Maidenhead suggested I try the xr, but I'm of the opinion that shush.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on August 17, 2018, 10:27:13 am
Good review - recently bought one of these.

I am amazed that the first thing you have to do with new bikes is buy a mudguard and hugger extender.  >:( The radiator and oil cooler are a work of art on these things and can't believe they are so open to stones etc.

They normally hand them over in Rain mode - did you try Dynamic? Much more lively and invokes "Accoustics" that lets it pop and bang a little bit on down changes. Pull away from a stop hard and use the quick shifter and the front wheel will hover all the way to 100mph controlled by the traction control. Great fun  ;D

I also find you are stuck in one position and can't really move around - the one you tried already has the HP seat upgrade - I am getting one of those this weekend, but doesn't sound like it changes things much.

As for touring, I just got back from 2,800 mile tour down to Austria and back on my K16. I didn't use the XR as I felt it to be a bit rev happy as well, but there were two of them with us and they had no problems with comfort, wind protection or vibrations etc. Quick bursts on the Autobahns up to 140mph and realistic touring speeds of 95mph and they seemed OK.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: slparry on September 02, 2018, 05:36:42 pm
my "analogy" on XR's and GS's is the XR is that supermodel you're having a fling with, stunning sex, capricious nature, difficult to live with, will kill you in the end but what a ride ...... against the GS, the stable woman you're married to is easy to live with, does all you need and is in it for the long game :)

You decide......
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on September 02, 2018, 05:42:07 pm
... and, if you have both, don't let the GS know about the XR!  ;)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on September 03, 2018, 11:51:45 am
my "analogy" on XR's and GS's is the XR is that supermodel you're having a fling with, stunning sex, capricious nature, difficult to live with, will kill you in the end but what a ride ...... against the GS, the stable woman you're married to is easy to live with, does all you need and is in it for the long game :)

You decide......

 ;D ;D ;D

Have to agree - the XR seems so nice and civilised but becomes one angry bike when you really open it up. Bloody thing is so capable it just laughs at you and makes you do bad things. It really is a sports bike with a comfy riding position.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Lotus26R on December 05, 2018, 05:41:55 pm
My current "Tourer" - I think benefits from gold wheels and body coloured front mudguard & belly pan.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/epOqJW5Cr4kxzg9PIbUQdYnOmSxOcEaYx7RReYEi7ytu5yBEGMGxUdLIaEGCo6xdTFOtbAWMVp-kQeYDTAN3qzp4RuoUhqkkBwJ75ufUaJJALLZ-xmwOPtAuOwCgCInF9JcuIpLzfjmxZJ1VYzQGEw1pGuFELUfZFTQ6oq58529iU7uXFx-NINADzi-3ek4mDltvrQFtRHmn_I3kCOEJJw5-8iS4Kb0vygeUp8fh_O8H4SS0wBnp7FAAf3EF3xzpsrLdBHbOpVFUx5reEdgJRIg-ftgr8iJlMU9cboMPyw3rwkmh5Ub6P3e2bCOGP2hbjrleiWPq6SiY8USsEcCE_JjwGJipMEah3lqLdpHTM9GsfTVA7FoodbySp5MBawMnG7sfvpdPADNNzcxaP5SjvMc8qdexNFBSvKUvKs_OrJNyV4jWIXXbRnnIQUTuyw0g9UuWK5zpz51dpCzNXX9tlAsiSOrLw2XDDp0yuTONimY20qshmkKAnH-y5PUkMzRRqcotg5s6zaNtj7Hi0194BFtlqc5Yi9-CeogX2bwKwjS34lbgHyqliatrccFwGl4daPzSFtLuIG8jTWEuhXXl5gH54E-dNcXOUEa-lxHj8lN7pMC3p3_MFWvSOe9C010NW_5buwzb3l7iAA17WoRrXoEaOg=w1602-h1201-no)

She is a little buzzy and you do need good ear plugs but she sounds great and can run as fast as I need.

My Sapphire Black K1300S is arriving on Friday - can't wait to try her out now.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Andym535 on May 24, 2019, 10:15:08 am
I had a 'Triple Black' one yesterday as a loan bike while my K13 was being serviced. Looks better in these colours I think, but still not something I'd want to replace my K with.

(https://i.ibb.co/Hxmwg5F/IMG-2548.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2sXVKGn)

Grotty photo, even by my low standards, but I was in a hurry to go and pick up my K.
 
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Costas on May 27, 2019, 01:28:35 pm
I had a 'Triple Black' one yesterday as a loan bike while my K13 was being serviced. Looks better in these colours I think, but still not something I'd want to replace my K with.

(https://i.ibb.co/Hxmwg5F/IMG-2548.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2sXVKGn)

Grotty photo, even by my low standards, but I was in a hurry to go and pick up my K.
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 03, 2020, 11:03:51 am
I finally rode one today. Dunno what they sat me on last time that was too tall (they said it was a low one), but this one much easier.

Pretty much everything Rich said. And for the first time I encountered the 'sticking' of some of the buttons on the left bar.

Anyway I'll be glad to be back on my GS. The xr reminded me of the rr in that it's only extra fun when whizzing it. But obviously it's more comfortable at normal speeds than the rr.

The suspension was a bit more stiff than the GS (dynamic, dynamic) but more annoying trying to hold a line on rubbish roads than the rr. And maybe even than the GS, but for different reasons, the second of which I haven't thought about. It did feel more agile though, but as ever, I don't really use that agility! :)

I'll be glad to try the 2020 or whatever version with the newer dash, as I have grown to really appreciate that. Especially against the rr/xr/1200rs silly small thing.

Also the heated grips didn't do as good a job as mine for whatever reason.

Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 03, 2020, 02:34:27 pm
OK update after riding back in the dry: when you want to get somewhere it's wicked! Reminds me I want to test ride the MT10.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on November 03, 2020, 03:09:50 pm
The more I think about the XR the more it appears to me to be a "not quite" bike!

It's a bit of a sports bike, but "not quite" an RR
It's a bit an adventure bike, but "not quite" a GS
It's a bit of a high powered adventure tourer, but "not quite" a SuperDuke GT or a Multistrada
It's a bit of a high performance sports tourer but, "not quite" an H2 SX or K1300S
It's a bit of a two-up sports tourer but, "not quite" an RS
It's a bit of a hooligan tool, but "not quite" a S1000R

While compromise is often a good thing and the XR does have some very good features, for me it's "not quite" good enough at anything to be better than the alternatives.

That said, BMW seem to have sold a fair few and there appears to be a good number of happy punters so perhaps I've "not quite" understood it.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 03, 2020, 03:39:52 pm
'Not quite' enough to inspire me enough to join an S1000 forum, if I owned one.

Still extremely quick though, but without the matching 'relaxed' touring mode that a K can also offer - is there a touch of Jekyll & Hyde to a K?
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 03, 2020, 04:30:30 pm
Yeah agree. It is rapid and as my GS is asking me why I'm revving it past 8k,the XR is saying come on bring on 10k! But that's the trouble too. The XR was fun on the way back to the garage, but only because I was doing silly speeds. Which is fine if you want that, but I'm a slow arse.

Was fun getting back on the GS. It is happier at 30 and cruising feels happier 10 or 20mph slower than the XR.

As you say David, it scores maybe 3 out of 5 in every point of the star diagram, which is probably quite an achievement. My GS scores higher in.. Something, but then lower in the hooligan and whatever else parts.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 03, 2020, 04:56:54 pm


That said, BMW seem to have sold a fair few and there appears to be a good number of happy punters so perhaps I've "not quite" understood it.

That will be a yes.

Where things get complicated I’ve had m K since 09,bought my X/R new in 16(well I didn’t someone else did but that ain’t for these pages) and my KTMGT 18 months ago, the KTM is very interesting but never going to appeal to the pipe/slipper/belt/bracers brigade cuz there’s that element of it could all end in tears  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 03, 2020, 05:21:26 pm
... the KTM is very interesting but never going to appeal to the pipe/slipper/belt/bracers brigade cuz there’s that element of it could all end in tears

I was about to rail against your harsh and cutting description, Chris.  >:(
However, I've got my slippers on. Heating's not on, and it's nippy out there!  :-[

Last rideout tomorrow for a while - for me at least. Back to the push-iron (actually push-ion!) for my two-wheeled kicks.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 03, 2020, 05:51:25 pm
Oh blimey yes..right at the start of lock down swapped this

(https://i.ibb.co/b7dvK4Z/2020-05-31-14-46-21.jpg)

For that

(https://i.ibb.co/RjLz9x1/2020-06-11-17-08-47.jpg)

My other half bought a Whyte 150s we've done close on a 1000 miles.

As for the KTM just about to get the usual fuelling and wheels treatment.

(https://i.ibb.co/xHzMkgG/2020-10-18-18-42-53.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on November 03, 2020, 06:58:12 pm
Well I have to say I love mine. I had one and got rid of it for a 1250GSA and had that for 18 months. A great bike to ride but I never really liked owning it - GS owners are obsessed with metal panniers that look like bread bins and giant bolt on side stand feet.

I recently went back to a 2019 XR Triple Black. So smooth, comfortable, handles well and can really move when needed.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Phmode on November 03, 2020, 07:13:53 pm
Perhaps the XR appeals to those who have 'not quite' decided into which niche their riding enjoyment falls...

If you want an 'almost' great bike to commute, cruise, race and pose on, then it might not 'not quite' live up to your 'not quite' firm expectations. Almost!

If I want to kick back and cruise the field margins and impassable lanes of our 'not quite' United Kingdom then I'll take the 24bhp Honda out...

If I want to pose I'll put on my pouch and stand in the middle of the road...

If I want to race I'll upgrade the battery in my mobility scooter...

And if I want to get total involvement and enjoyment on the roads, I'll either take the car out at the dead of night and scare the bejeezus out of the doggers and other nocturnal wildlife or I'll go for a spin on the 'not quite' great at everything but quite great at the niche into which I fall, middleweight sports touring...the almost incomparable K.

But that is the conviction that comes from having been riding since 1964 and driving since 1966. And don't dare ask me what I went through in the intervening years to arrive at my conviction.

So, perfect car...Audi RS6. Enormously overwhelming and hugely capable but for a single guy with no dog, no income and few car related passions?

Perfect bike...well, I'm still living in the past, so it is a K13S until I can afford to upgrade or BMW (or someone else) produces a better bike that I can afford second hand in a few years.

But a 'not quite' bike. No thanks.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 03, 2020, 07:48:06 pm
My neighbour at the flat had a new rs6 avant on the never never back in... I'm going to say 2016. Took me out in it once and yeah, it's mad! But Jesus's cart is the only vehicle that needs 58 inch wheels, big tourers should have 18s max and nice thick sidewalls please! S500 I reckon :).
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Phmode on November 04, 2020, 02:46:55 pm
It was interesting to see it get trashed by a Lambourghini summatorother (hugeRange Rover lookalike) on Top Gear last week. I fail to see how Audi can let their sports car division have a car that demolishes the beast that is the RS6.

And if a neighbour offers you a lift in one, first google 'RS6 Crash' and take a look at the first set of photos. You will convince yourself that two RS6's had a massive coming together. Eventually you will realise, unbelievable as it seems, that that is really one RS6 and a tree. OK, two halves of an RS6 held together by an exhaust system and a couple of lengths of wiring loom.

Oh, and guy on the phone to his brother is the driver. It was his brother's car...
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 04, 2020, 03:43:44 pm
Here's mine 4 years and on  :)

(https://i.ibb.co/tqNrX1f/2020-08-05-11-19-54.jpg)

But blimey its a close run thing with this...

(https://i.ibb.co/xCvWWgv/2020-07-21-14-22-25.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 04, 2020, 03:54:33 pm
I'd keep the KTM, Chris, were you to have storage problems in the garage.  ::)

And that RS6 crash - lucky it was LHD on the continent. Any passenger / RHD would have been deaded.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: armstrongracer on November 04, 2020, 04:08:46 pm
Well lush Chris.  Thought seriously about one as a step up from my 950sm but would be putting too much all weather miles and depreciation into it. Went for K1300s mainly because of shaft drive. More manufacturers need to produce shaft drive sports-tourers. They are missing a trick in my opinion.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 04, 2020, 04:10:20 pm
I'd keep the KTM, Chris, were you to have storage problems in the garage.  ::)

Your a braver man than me then cuz I'd be going with the X/R,KTM ownership can be precarious at best but more trinkets to go on this lock down


(https://i.ibb.co/m8WKLv0/2020-11-02-15-47-35.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 04, 2020, 04:14:26 pm
Well lush Chris.  Thought seriously about one as a step up from my 950sm but would be putting too much all weather miles and depreciation into it. Went for K1300s mainly because of shaft drive. More manufacturers need to produce shaft drive sports-tourers. They are missing a trick in my opinion.

The one thing I'll say about that 1290...only bike I've ridden makes not a jot of difference if I'm one up or two up.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: armstrongracer on November 04, 2020, 04:28:56 pm
Not even propensity to wheelie  ;D
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on November 04, 2020, 04:40:52 pm
I'd keep the KTM, Chris, were you to have storage problems in the garage.  ::)

Your a braver man than me then cuz I'd be going with the X/R,KTM ownership can be precarious at best but more trinkets to go on this lock down


(https://i.ibb.co/m8WKLv0/2020-11-02-15-47-35.jpg)

Ooh!  Nice wheel. :D
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 04, 2020, 04:48:23 pm
Nice K1300S wheel. I think?
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 04, 2020, 05:01:33 pm
It’s for the KTM, over the years i’ve Had one blip away from Dymag when they went bust and I put carbon BST’s on the K, the reality is...I managed to improve the lack of input required on the K with all its mods by 30%+ but the reality is there’s no getting away from the K is a big old tank and that is all there is too it.

I’m more than happy riding the K in isolation, but up against a modern day bike that is when one gets the light bulb moment of Oh S*** things have moved on’ and that is up against a stock X/R or GT never mind where i’m Going.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 04, 2020, 06:41:54 pm
It’s for the KTM,...

Nope that's definitely BMW orange :p.

I do like Dymags! And I do so despair when hearing KTM ownership can be fraught. To me, especially with the new eyes, they look awesome. Maybe that's why I like the MT-10. I'm an eye man. :/
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on November 04, 2020, 07:50:50 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/m8WKLv0/2020-11-02-15-47-35.jpg)

Wow. Now that’s some nice bling!  8)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 04, 2020, 08:10:24 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/m8WKLv0/2020-11-02-15-47-35.jpg)

Wow. Now that’s some nice bling!  8)

Plenty of time for them to bite me in the arse...because I have never put aftermarket wheels on a bike with factory pre set electric sus, and it’s why the K worked so well with BST’s because I could adjust the Wilbers till it all came good,and the same with the X/R...we’ll see.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 04, 2020, 08:14:36 pm
It’s for the KTM,...

Nope that's definitely BMW orange :p.

I do like Dymags! And I do so despair when hearing KTM ownership can be fraught. To me, especially with the new eyes, they look awesome. Maybe that's why I like the MT-10. I'm an eye man. :/

If I only had one bike...then blimey it would take a mighty leap of faith running a KTM on its own...but blimey are they focused so they are never going to appeal to the average joe, but.....talking of Yamaha’s why have Yamaha never put an R1 motor in a big traillie or Supermoto??
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 04, 2020, 08:53:45 pm
Super Tenere with the r1 lump then? Add two cylinders to it!

Am wondering, who makes such a bike with an inline 4? If the XR counts is it alone? Yam twin, suzuki v twin, ktm v twin, is it all about the torque?
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on November 05, 2020, 10:45:13 am
Plenty of time for them to bite me in the arse...because I have never put aftermarket wheels on a bike with factory pre set electric sus, and it’s why the K worked so well with BST’s because I could adjust the Wilbers till it all came good,and the same with the X/R...we’ll see.

I know you dislike the electronic suspension, but when I was looking at these I was told KTM released an update on their suspension software from their 2020 model for the 2018/19 models - supposed to be a big improvement over the standard release?
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on November 05, 2020, 03:07:27 pm
Super Tenere with the r1 lump then? Add two cylinders to it!

Am wondering, who makes such a bike with an inline 4? If the XR counts is it alone? Yam twin, suzuki v twin, ktm v twin, is it all about the torque?

All right, it's a V4 rather than an in-line 4 but ... Ducati - https://www.ducati.com/gb/en/bikes/multistrada/multistrada-v4

Also, i think the the Kawasaki Versys 1000 was a pretty "head on" competitor.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 05, 2020, 03:34:15 pm
All right, it's a V4 rather than an in-line 4 but ... Ducati - https://www.ducati.com/gb/en/bikes/multistrada/multistrada-v4

Mmmm... V4 Granturismo:
- 170BHP
- 217Kg
- 36k mile valve clearance adjustment interval
- 4 year warranty

That's almost attractive.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on November 05, 2020, 04:02:55 pm
Strange they have launched it with a 19" front wheel - squarely aimed at the GS market.

Nice looking bike though. 4 years warranty and massive service intervals are quite amazing!
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on November 05, 2020, 05:24:32 pm
All right, it's a V4 rather than an in-line 4 but ... Ducati - https://www.ducati.com/gb/en/bikes/multistrada/multistrada-v4

Mmmm... V4 Granturismo:
- 170BHP
- 217Kg
- 36k mile valve clearance adjustment interval
- 4 year warranty

That's almost attractive.

Twee! I like the red subframe hiding back there. Looked blood red in one, like the new 710 R Nine T which I like. But base ducati red is fine too bahh.

170hp so it'll be rampant like the XR that's good, hope mooching about characteristics are decent too.

Oh it has a chain. :p.

Oh it's 240kg when ready to ride I think. Still fine but why do they list 217 too?
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 05, 2020, 05:48:51 pm
Plenty of time for them to bite me in the arse...because I have never put aftermarket wheels on a bike with factory pre set electric sus, and it’s why the K worked so well with BST’s because I could adjust the Wilbers till it all came good,and the same with the X/R...we’ll see.

I know you dislike the electronic suspension, but when I was looking at these I was told KTM released an update on their suspension software from their 2020 model for the 2018/19 models - supposed to be a big improvement over the standard release?

Could well be a magical mystery tour with all the bells and whistles that are going on it, and more importantly..... gone way to far down the road with it now to stop the runaway train  >:( so hey ho here’s hoping  ::)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 05, 2020, 05:51:30 pm
Strange they have launched it with a 19" front wheel - squarely aimed at the GS market.

Nice looking bike though. 4 years warranty and massive service intervals are quite amazing!

Strange one that been there done that with 19”...and fitted a 17” Dymag, but will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 05, 2020, 06:42:17 pm
170hp so it'll be rampant like the XR that's good, hope mooching about characteristics are decent too.

Went out for my last spin for a while yesterday, with a 2019 Ducati Multistrada owner, and I casually asked how did it run througfh town - was a pottering 6th gear possible? No way, was the reply.
So it might not be a mooching bike.

Oh it has a chain. :p.
Damn. I forgot chains still existed. Seriously, I'm not joking.
Well that's a fail, then.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on November 05, 2020, 06:45:54 pm
170hp so it'll be rampant like the XR that's good, hope mooching about characteristics are decent too.

Went out for my last spin for a while yesterday, with a 2019 Ducati Multistrada owner, and I casually asked how did it run througfh town - was a pottering 6th gear possible? No way, was the reply.
So it might not be a mooching bike.

Oh it has a chain. :p.
Damn. I forgot chains still existed. Seriously, I'm not joking.
Well that's a fail, then.

Is the 2019 Multistrada not a twin?
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 05, 2020, 08:33:05 pm
Is the 2019 Multistrada not a twin?

Quite true. It is, so you would hope the 4 would be more flexible.
Please go and test ride one and tell us! (= I can't countenance buying a brand new bike, so no point tempting myself!)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 05, 2020, 08:49:43 pm
170hp so it'll be rampant like the XR that's good, hope mooching about characteristics are decent too.

Went out for my last spin for a while yesterday, with a 2019 Ducati Multistrada owner, and I casually asked how did it run througfh town - was a pottering 6th gear possible? No way, was the reply.
So it might not be a mooching bike.

Oh it has a chain. :p.
Damn. I forgot chains still existed. Seriously, I'm not joking.
Well that's a fail, then.

Pottering 6th  :o, changed the gearing on the KTM with 2 teeth more,s I can click into top at 75+  :)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 06, 2020, 09:43:52 am
Although the heading is X/R for me it’s anything with high wide bars which is/are easier going on ageing backs....

In 91 with just our FJ1200 in the garage, darling wife suggested buying an Africa Twin which in those days was a 750, and that set us off on our..for want of a better description Big Traillie journey, the first one got stolen bought another, wanted more power bought a new 885 Tiger which lasted 6 weeks, Triumph supplied another, that got displaced with a 955 version which we still have or be it rather modded, and eventually got pushed down the order with the X/R in 2016, and the KTM in 19, but the. k1200 has always been the fall back/back up since 09.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on November 06, 2020, 11:18:31 am
...but the k1200 has always been the fall back/back up since 09.

The old banger. Like it.  ;)

Most people have a C90 Cub to fall back on.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on November 06, 2020, 11:47:15 am
Is the 2019 Multistrada not a twin?

Quite true. It is, so you would hope the 4 would be more flexible.
Please go and test ride one and tell us! (= I can't countenance buying a brand new bike, so no point tempting myself!)

I would certainly expect a 4 to be much better a slow speed/high gear stuff than a twin.

I'd be very interested in trying one if it wasn't styled like an adventure bike. I want my sports touring bike to look like a road bike because that's what'll it'll be. If Ducati put that V4 motor into a package based on something like the old ST2/3/4/4S bikes then I'd be VERY interested.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on November 06, 2020, 11:54:38 am

Pottering 6th  :o, changed the gearing on the KTM with 2 teeth more,s I can click into top at 75+  :)

+2 front or +2 rear? The KTM was already very high geared so +2 front would make it extremely tall.

The one thing that can be said about chain drive bikes is that they offer the flexibility to cheaply/easily tweak the gearing to suit different riding styles. You can't do that on a shaft drive bike. I've done +1f/-2r on the H2 SX which has made a significant difference to how the bike rides. I always wanted to increase the gearing on my K1300Ss (close to that on the K1200S) but the cost and faff made it something that wasn't every really on the table.

I'd still rather have shaft drive though ...
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on November 06, 2020, 01:34:33 pm
2 teeth on the rear,in stock trim the GT needs to be going north of 80 too take top gear, the X/R I put 1 tooth on the engine sprocket, but the major improvement was fitting a PC/Akra headers and having it mapped it’ll do 25mph in 6th and pull well from that two up, hence why anything that has TUV approval doesn’t get mine...

Actually thinking about too many bikes.... didn’t put a tooth on the front there’s no room,went down two at the back.

As for shaft drive, I’ve two bikes with such but no fan, cannot change gearing(although I have done) without loads of hassle and if ever they go wrong...£150 for a chain and sprockets will seem a great idea.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: OxMan on November 10, 2020, 09:14:06 am
Is the 2019 Multistrada not a twin?

Quite true. It is, so you would hope the 4 would be more flexible.
Please go and test ride one and tell us! (= I can't countenance buying a brand new bike, so no point tempting myself!)

Before I left the UK to come over to France I test rode a bunch of stuff including a couple of hours on the Strada S. It was emotional and had a certain pull I have to admit... but although easy to move around when on the move, it was still fairly porky as I recall, but comfortable on the go, certainly more engaging and fun to ride than the big Tiger and Big GS I also rode at the time.

With regards bimbling... I test rode maybe 8 or 9 bikes all up before going for the V85TT, the Strada was the only one I stalled, or got near to stalling. Low revs and high gears (and by high gear I mean anything from 2nd up!) always meant you got a very distinct and unhappy grumble feedback message from the bike... so no - it doesn't do bimbling at all!

As it happens I also rode the last model S1000XR and totally loved it. The fact it had a chain for me an issue, that and likely license issues meant I went for the characterful but 'safe' option of the Guzzi with (not very much but just about adequate)bhp.

I do miss my old K's - when I long for a bit of nutter bastard timewarp horizon melting speed... but on the Guzzi every ride is fun and full of good vibes (but not too many vibes). So I think I made a good call.... for me!
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on January 20, 2021, 02:51:56 pm
I've just gone back through this thread to try and dissuade myself from calling up BMW.

There's an Ice Grey 2020 (new model, nice dash etc) that they've had sitting there since last year sometime. And the bugger is a low chassis like my GS!

Now that BMW have added "magic never-ending chain" to their options list, and the fact I doubt I'll ever be doing a regular commute again, I have a hankering to try it out.

But I may be suffering from lockdownitus, like the nun that finally leaves the convent, the first person she sees is Bob Hoskins and she marries him on the spot. We've all been there!

So someone remind me why it's a bad idea. Without mentioning that I need a job first.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on January 20, 2021, 03:42:35 pm
I’ve had my X/R 4 years and with a combo of the mods it’s an absolute gem, but if I was going to commute I’d certainly be looking more at a GS, I don’t mean it in a derogatory way but you need a donkey not a race horse, yea yea I know from first hand experience that the GS can be hustled along at a decent pace with some effort but a thoroughbred it ain’t...well it is but not in that way  :)

Stick with what you have  ;D
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: raesewell on January 20, 2021, 04:14:24 pm
Stick what you have  ;D
Stick it where?  :o
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on January 20, 2021, 05:52:07 pm
If you're not commuting Matt, you can come back into the fold:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202011045764912?make=BMW&sort=price-asc&include-delivery-option=on&model=K1300S&advertising-location=at_bikes&postcode=de30sg&radius=1501&page=1

...for example.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on January 20, 2021, 06:42:40 pm
Ha!
There's a 16 plate Motorsport at Motoline down Alton way too for not much more. But covered in those idiot stickers on the front and corroded forks.

Anyway I am not ready to come back yet :p.

But that is my point, no commuting means I can have something a bit sillier... as long as it's still BMW ha. Or not.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on January 20, 2021, 07:03:52 pm
Ha!
There's a 16 plate Motorsport at Motoline down Alton way too for not much more. But covered in those idiot stickers on the front and corroded forks.

Not that you've looked in detail, or anything...  ;D
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on January 21, 2021, 01:00:52 pm
Matt - go for it. Great bike.

I went from an XR to a R1250GSA which is an amazing bike, but I couldn’t love it and have gone back to an XR - much more fun. The new Gen 2 has all the gadgets on the 1250, and like you say a new high tech/low maintenance chain. The only place it loses out is economy at about 45 mpg (new V4 Multistrada is also about the same).
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on January 21, 2021, 02:02:34 pm
Cheers Belco :). If one waits long enough one's views will get the desired response :D

And yeah, I was looking at tank range a fair bit, and it seems back to K range. 180 maybe. But then I realised as above, with my lack of commuting I'm no longer needing to think about number of petrol station visits per week.

I'll try this bike when this lockdown briefly pauses I hope :)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 19, 2021, 09:31:03 pm
And warming the thread through, here's today's 2021 S1000XR loan bike (with the original 2018 one below):

The 2021 one:
(http://www.poqit.com/s1000xr-2021.jpg)

And the 2018 one:
(http://www.poqit.com/s1000xr1.jpg)

All the plastics look different, brakes are different, exhaust is different, pegs are different. In fact I'm struggling to see something that's the same.
That will be fun in 10 years time when trying to find the correct part.

Oh the forks maybe the same. Ah, and a big LCD panel. I liked it, but it doesn't improve the bike - it's just info. Sticking one on a K wouldn't make the K better either.

Is it any better than the 2018?
No:
- same buzziness, possibly a bit less (defo less than the 2016 one)
- same single riding position only
- still very good suspension, but I'm not used to diving forks! I like the solid feel of a K1300S
- brakes are better than a K1300S
- it's significantly harder to manouevre then the K - it feels heavier, possibly because it's taller?

It's one of the closer matches to a K, but it's still not got it beaten, after 12/16 years.
Hey ho.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on April 20, 2021, 08:58:17 am
It is supposed to be a whole new bike, other than the engine though!

That is disappointing! And coming from you, the official 2020 Bike Walker, it's concerning to read it's so much more difficult to move about. Have you moved about a GS ever? I find that rather easier than the K. And I am Mr Bike Paddler generally, but now do it properly more often with the GS.

The forks point I am annoyed about. We've been spoiled! I need some of our apostates to pop in and say you're making a big deal over nothing :p.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on April 20, 2021, 09:36:36 am
One of the issues that (for me) BMW have always had is that they make their suspension too soft. On conventional forks that makes for more dive than might other wise be seen on other makes of bike.

A set of slightly heavier springs (or even just some more pre-load) may help reduce the dive.

Fork dive was one of the issues I was concerned about when I moved to the H2 SX. However, with a well set up suspension, it's not been an issue, even for the other K1300S riders who have borrowed it from me! :D

Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on April 20, 2021, 02:44:53 pm
One of the issues that (for me) BMW have always had is that they make their suspension too soft. On conventional forks that makes for more dive than might other wise be seen on other makes of bike.

A set of slightly heavier springs (or even just some more pre-load) may help reduce the dive.

Fork dive was one of the issues I was concerned about when I moved to the H2 SX. However, with a well set up suspension, it's not been an issue, even for the other K1300S riders who have borrowed it from me! :D

Phew! Brian said I should get your bike too, so it's all coming together :D.

Also: I've found your soft-spring observation to be true for my GS, though saying that I'd expect out of all the BMWs that would be the softest bouncy ride. Although my understanding of suspension is not so great, so maybe i'm confusing comfort with soft. In any case, i'm in Dynamic 90% of the time, and Road is too bouncy/reboundy unless i'm properly trying to eek out the tank range and forcing myself to either go slow or bounce off the seat a lot.

Now i'm not commuting i've got no easy excuse for visiting the BMW dealers every 2 minutes, so a ride on the XR will have to wait :( / :)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: farmer on April 20, 2021, 05:48:18 pm
a shiny red and black trallie ...i should love that, but i don't.
i think it's the colour coding design on the pannier, is it just me or does it give a slightly moped feel ....
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 20, 2021, 05:50:46 pm
Phew! Brian said I should get your bike too, so it's all coming together :D.
Love it. Bagsie I'm second.

Also: I've found your soft-spring observation to be true for my GS, though saying that I'd expect out of all the BMWs that would be the softest bouncy ride. Although my understanding of suspension is not so great, so maybe i'm confusing comfort with soft. In any case, i'm in Dynamic 90% of the time, and Road is too bouncy/reboundy unless i'm properly trying to eek out the tank range and forcing myself to either go slow or bounce off the seat a lot.
I should have said I had the suspension in 'Dynamic' mode. Whatever that is, but I presume it's not 'Bouncy' mode.

To be fair I should reiterate it's a good bike. I've ridden far worse. Competent, swift, but not quite right.
I suspect I probably want an S1000RR, but with leg space and a higher-than-tummy fairing - hereinafter to be known as the S1000RRXXXL.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on April 20, 2021, 06:24:51 pm
Always viewed my brand new X/R in 2016 as the best starting point i’ve ever had on a bike, but comparing it too a K frankly is bonkers unless one spends their life on a motorway.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 20, 2021, 09:18:36 pm
Always viewed my brand new X/R in 2016 as the best starting point i’ve ever had on a bike, but comparing it too a K frankly is bonkers unless one spends their life on a motorway.

In that case you'll absolutely love the 2021 XR! It's a definite improvement over the 2016 one.
Go and test ride a 2021 one for us, so we can have a proper owner's review, rather than my ramblings.  ;D
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on April 20, 2021, 09:49:01 pm
How was it for riding slow? I found my day on the last model was this:
Ride home leisurely: "I don't much care for this bike"
Ride back to Alton at warp speed: "I love this bike!"

But I do enjoy bimbling on the GS for 220 miles between covid petrol stops.

Fricking bikes. I know the answer is have multiple.

Edit: this has made me come back to liking the Motorsport colours though. But maybe not 18 grand like!
(https://i.ibb.co/Pj87397/Screenshot-20210420-215504-Auto-Trader.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 20, 2021, 11:31:48 pm
Slow riding was fine - I just found the massive moment (as in the 'force*distance' moment) of wide bars something of an anomaly. I don't need that much leverage, and I kept ever so slightly over-correcting by a mm. It's something I'd grow out of after a few rides, I'm sure. Fast or slow, it was good quick handling - I just had to think twice about the fork dive which in turn changes the bike geometry. Again it's something you'd get used it.

The bits that I couldn't get used to are the seat, the forward footpegs, the vibrating mirrors at 70mph, and so on.
Who OK'ed the design/weight that lets them vibrate at 70mph, and not at 45mph or something mundane?
I put my left foot tilited backwards onto the centre stand at first. Oh, where's the bloody footpeg.  Forward forward forward - oh, there. Hmm.

Of course, it could be me that's the outlier, not the bike. But I'm so normal, it couldn't be that.  :o
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on April 21, 2021, 07:41:09 am
Any bike that has been passed by the TUV as OK means i’m Not going to be happy with it, because without even getting on the thing I know it’s going to have a glitch in the fuelling.

Best decision I made with my 16 X/R was no ESA, the rear shock went in the loft and was replaced with a Wilbers, it’s only now being confronted with electric on my KTM that I realise what a bloody good decision the non ESA on the X/R was.

Went the same route with the X/R as all the others,Akra headers,Power Commander with custom map,Dymags, 3 seats before I found the right one, heavy bar ends,change of hand guards and various other bits and and bobs, it’s nothing short of an absolute wonder,will pull from under 2000 revs in top gear even when two up...and I mean pull WELL.

Down side...hmmm, certain no good for the short arses of this world and can have a frantic feel about it if you think about things too much, but of course i’m Saying that with multiple bikes.

Gone exactly the same route with the KTM, but what the solution for the suspension...god knows, but the K remains under a dust sheet cannot even remember the last time I rode the thing even though it has gone through the same R&D process as the others...but a long motorway journey might change that, but on normal roads requires way too much effort...even with Wilbers and carbon wheels...and clearly i’m Getting lazy in my old age.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on April 21, 2021, 09:31:28 am
Slow riding was fine - I just found the massive moment (as in the 'force*distance' moment) of wide bars something of an anomaly. I don't need that much leverage, and I kept ever so slightly over-correcting by a mm. It's something I'd grow out of after a few rides, I'm sure. Fast or slow, it was good quick handling - I just had to think twice about the fork dive which in turn changes the bike geometry. Again it's something you'd get used it.

The bits that I couldn't get used to are the seat, the forward footpegs, the vibrating mirrors at 70mph, and so on.
Who OK'ed the design/weight that lets them vibrate at 70mph, and not at 45mph or something mundane?
I put my left foot tilited backwards onto the centre stand at first. Oh, where's the bloody footpeg.  Forward forward forward - oh, there. Hmm.

Of course, it could be me that's the outlier, not the bike. But I'm so normal, it couldn't be that.  :o

Hah!

I did similar with the GS regarding centre stand, and still do occasionally. Though maybe I'm just checking it hasn't fallen off.

Yeah the seat setup seems a bugger. I enjoy being able to move about with the GS long seat, and being able to change its height and angle.

Oh well, the main thing is we're all completely normal. And unique. And definitely special and not normal at all.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 21, 2021, 10:54:49 am

...can have a frantic feel about it if you think about things too much, but of course i’m Saying that with multiple bikes.

Gone exactly the same route with the KTM, but what the solution for the suspension...god knows, but the K remains under a dust sheet cannot even remember the last time I rode the thing even though it has gone through the same R&D process as the others...but a long motorway journey might change that, but on normal roads requires way too much effort...even with Wilbers and carbon wheels...and clearly i’m Getting lazy in my old age.

Ah, 'frantic' and 'lazy' - you got me on both words!
The XR is a bit frantic, you're spot on. That's fun for an hour, but I reckon that would be quite tiring on an all day ride.
I tend to get faster through the day on the K. I suspect I'd be knackered on an XR by the end of the day. I need a lazy bike.  8)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on April 21, 2021, 11:19:30 am

...can have a frantic feel about it if you think about things too much, but of course i’m Saying that with multiple bikes.

Gone exactly the same route with the KTM, but what the solution for the suspension...god knows, but the K remains under a dust sheet cannot even remember the last time I rode the thing even though it has gone through the same R&D process as the others...but a long motorway journey might change that, but on normal roads requires way too much effort...even with Wilbers and carbon wheels...and clearly i’m Getting lazy in my old age.

Ah, 'frantic' and 'lazy' - you got me on both words!
The XR is a bit frantic, you're spot on. That's fun for an hour, but I reckon that would be quite tiring on an all day ride.
I tend to get faster through the day on the K. I suspect I'd be knackered on an XR by the end of the day. I need a lazy bike.  8)

For me, that was one of the main issues with the XR. While it is 1000cc it's still well down on torque compared to the 1300's. That means that the only way to get comparable top gear roll on is to have much lower gearing. That means that for any given speed, the XR is is running 1500 to 2000 rpm more than the K1300S and about 3000rpm more than the KTM SD1290GT. The result is that the engine always feels frantic in comparison.

One of the features of "frantic" vs. "lazy" bikes (and cars) is that, on the road, the frantic bike often feels faster while the lazy bike is often actually faster, especially if it's being measured over a longer distance with a variety of different road types.



Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on April 21, 2021, 11:34:31 am
Interesting all this chatter about engines and revs completely side stepping the brick shit house proportions of the K...come up against a modern day bike on anything but a motorway..you’ll have your light bulb moment very quickly.

Of course that’s assuming age or inclination doesn’t get in the way, but neither has anything to do the K being bloody hard work ridden up against modern stuff.

Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 21, 2021, 12:41:20 pm
Interesting all this chatter about engines and revs completely side stepping the brick shit house proportions of the K...come up against a modern day bike on anything but a motorway..you’ll have your light bulb moment very quickly.

Of course that’s assuming age or inclination doesn’t get in the way, but neither has anything to do the K being bloody hard work ridden up against modern stuff.
It may depend on what you're trying to acheive. A trackday, not a hope on a K. A wriggly Welsh trip - no problem on either bike. Dull motorway - A K every time.

Re: brick toilets, it weighs 228kg dry (even with a lightweight battery (https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/models/adventure/s1000xr.html#/section-four-cylinder-in-line-engine), note!), and I'm pretty sure the XR has a higher centre of gravity than a K.
A K1300S also weighs 228kg dry.

Progress? Not much on the weight front.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on April 21, 2021, 01:03:19 pm
I think our definition of hard work may differ significantly. I agree that the the K is slower into corners, is heavier overall and takes more wrestling to flick (haul?) from bend to bend but, for me, that's only one aspect of the overall road riding process. The ability to use the torque and avoid gear changes, the ability to ride for a full day then get up the next morning ready to do the same again, the ability to filter down through lines of traffic in town, the ability to see what's happening behind by just looking in the mirrors, the ability run at autobahn speeds for long periods of time and the ability to confidently put a foot on the ground when arriving at a junction with a wicked camber all make for a bike that isn't hard work.

I've not owned a XR and I've only had a couple of test rides on them so my experience is limited but, while it is a great bike with many "plus points", for me it most definitely was not "less work" than the K. In fact, the K, despite it's age, was, I felt, definitely an easier bike to live with. But, each to their own.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 21, 2021, 03:12:46 pm
I agree that the the K is slower into corners, is heavier overall ...
They're identical weights - 228Kg. See above.

And for good measure, throw in XR's 165 bhp versus K's 173 bhp.
But realistically they're about equal once shaft drive loss has been taken into account.

The K is defo slower into corners though, granted.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on April 21, 2021, 04:30:16 pm
In view of today’s conversation dusted the old K off, checked tyres put 6 months tax on it and been out and ridden...having been quite a few miles recently on the KTM and X/R....I take back not a word I said about the K,now tomorrow I/we have been roped..sorry invited to Shobdon airfield for lunch and as things could be a touch on the slow side the K will be pressed into service again....

As for performance in the zilch to 120 the other two would eat the K alive, and yet I have to say the old tank is running well.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: armstrongracer on April 21, 2021, 06:11:25 pm
Real world, and I mean on increasingly sh*te Irish roads, I find there's very few bikes quicker A to B than a K1300. The stability is awesome and I can forgive slow turn in for security and the ability to just press-on regardless.  It's superb on high speed corners but I admit to being cautious on tight roundabouts, feels like it wants to plough straight on.  Then again, I moved away from roundabout central (close to MK) 18 years ago. I'm with K1 on it's everyday rideability, once moving I can filter & flick it around traffic as easy as my old SM, that canted forward engine helps, as do helibars. Mirrors get in way a bit but they are a license saver other times.  Suspension is a bit harsh (Wilbers are on speed dial in case a windfall comes my way) but I love the wishbone front end, from racing I've more trust in the front than the average road rider and tend to brake deep into corners. The K13 laps this up and the small dive you get helps it steer in quicker. The annoying thing is how much better BMW could have made that bike with little effort, as Chris says you have to spend money yourself to get it right.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Belco100 on April 21, 2021, 07:28:42 pm

They're identical weights - 228Kg. See above.

The XRs 228KG is a kerb weight, the K13S kerb weight is around 255KG  ::)

I suppose it depends on your riding, but on the Essex lanes the XR defiantly feels more nimble. I could never keep up with the GS brigade on my K12/13s until the roads widen up, on the XR it’s pretty easy.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: black-k1 on April 21, 2021, 08:01:07 pm

They're identical weights - 228Kg. See above.

The XRs 228KG is a kerb weight, the K13S kerb weight is around 255KG  ::)

I suppose it depends on your riding, but on the Essex lanes the XR defiantly feels more nimble. I could never keep up with the GS brigade on my K12/13s until the roads widen up, on the XR it’s pretty easy.

Oh how I wish the K1300S had been 228kg!  :D While it has a low C of G I always knew it was a big lump when pushing on. However, as Armstrongracer said, it's stability means it can be pushed on "less than perfect" ;) roads harder than many lighter bikes.

Either way,  both are great bikes. The real disappointment is that for those of us who prefer the larger engined, "lazy" bikes with "road suspension" and a road bike rather than adventure bike look, there simply isn't a new option on the market. :(
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 21, 2021, 08:39:00 pm
BMW website says:

228
DIN empty weight in kg incl. M lightweight battery, Touring & Dynamic package

Maybe 'empty' and 'dry' are two different definitions?
If so, my mistake.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on April 21, 2021, 08:44:36 pm
Yep just read same. And that's with the M battery. The non M weighs some number of lbs which equals 812Kg I think we worked out in the other thread :p.

But then another website says wet 228Kg so maybe nobody really knows! It's one thing building an engine and a bike and stuff but quite another using scales!

Edit: yeah DIN empty means without payload. So without fat arses or drones in top boxes. Blehh. But also maybe not fuel either. Harrumph.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: Matt on April 21, 2021, 08:49:08 pm
OK someone who cares more read this:
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/vehicle-weights-whats-the-difference-109425 (https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/vehicle-weights-whats-the-difference-109425)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: richtea on April 21, 2021, 09:55:01 pm
I couldn't see any definition either, so I've asked BMW.  8)
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on April 22, 2021, 07:28:21 am

They're identical weights - 228Kg. See above.

The XRs 228KG is a kerb weight, the K13S kerb weight is around 255KG  ::)

I suppose it depends on your riding, but on the Essex lanes the XR defiantly feels more nimble. I could never keep up with the GS brigade on my K12/13s until the roads widen up, on the XR it’s pretty easy.

Just about sums the job up, stuff that gets forgotten ....piggyback fuelling all those years ago was considered old hat and it was all about flashing the ECU and I went Rexxer on the K..and not a bad job at all,but all that went bytheby and the world went back to piggyback hence why I have PC’s on both the X/R and GT and have to say a better feel and the X/R will pick the front wheel up off the throttle in second, I’m not expecting that anytime soon on the K.

As part of the R&D on the K to get the bike to turn...have to carry a plastic side stand puck with a 2” piece of shaped wood screwed too it because the rear is raised that much the side stand just isn’t long enough, but at least with a little effort(a lot more than the others) it’s joined the modern world when it comes to changing direction, aided and abetted with carbon BST’s and Wilbers which really are quality.
Title: Re: Today's steed (S1000XR)
Post by: chriscanning on April 22, 2021, 03:49:00 pm
For some bizarre reason...despite knowing today’s trip to Shobdon was going to be country lanes took the K and certainly got more than I/we bargained for...

Linky link: https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=4620.0