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General forum area => The Euro K Comms & Sat Nav Corner (including Trackers) => Topic started by: JackSnipe on April 06, 2015, 07:19:17 pm
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Please advise best method of attaching Sat Nav Garmin 350 to K1300 GT, is it Wundelech's ?
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Does the 13 have the redundant mirror holes
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No, I don't have any redundant mirror holes on my K13GT, so presumably that's a no then ?
Jack, I finally opted for the TT Rider V5 sat nag and mounted it via a Telferizer RAM ball mount (Nippy Normans now also stock this particular RAM mount) which screwed in to the LH handlebar retaining bolts (ie remove existing BMW Allen bolt and replace with nearest length equivalent supplied bolt that comes with RAM mount). The replacement bolt passes through the centre of the RAM ball mount and screws into position as the 'new' LH handlebar retaining bolt, and hey voila, a sturdy sat nag mount! The TT, when fitted, does partially obscure the bottom of the speedo, but that's not really a big deal when out riding. I wired it in c/o a Nippy Normans sat nag wiring loom (£14 ish) on to the purpose built spare loom terminal that lurks under the battery access panel. Simples ! :)
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Steve F, thanks for the info I have used Telferizer mounts on another bike. Do you think the obscurity is inevitable no matter what Sat Nav you have with your mounting method please ?
Thanks.
JS
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Jack, I can only speak from experience wrt using a TT sat nag on the K13GT. but I would guess that, regardless of sat nag make, you would have a partial obscurity issue, albeit a minor one, as I referred to in my previous post. I've found that with adjusting the two RAM balls (on the mount and the sat nag plate), you can improve speedo visibility, but it's a trade off between a partial obscurity and a cockeyed facing sat nag! The Garmin boxes, being a much squarer shaped unit, could obscure more...?? Just a thought.....
Despite this (minor) partial obscuring, I do find this sat nag mount location a good one. No vibration and a nice tidy routing possible for the sat nag cable to under the battery access panel.
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I made this one. I found the location suited me fine.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/Paul_C_photos/DSC00160.jpg)
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Yes, I can believe that would work well Paul. Looks quite a sound, functional bit of kit. Is there any damping anywhere throughout the mount you made. I'm just curious as to whether there's any vibration when riding, as it all looks like metal to metal joints....??
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No damping except the tiny rubber washers in the Garmin mount. I made an undamped one for the GS too. All good to date.
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Okay. That's good to hear they're working fine then Paul.
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I made this one. I found the location suited me fine.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/Paul_C_photos/DSC00160.jpg)
Nice job. Your mount plus 660 = ££ saving against Voyager wit.h built in cradle. If only you had gone into production
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You can see Paul was a Metal work Teacher
:)
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Having never poked and prodded a GT (apart from Ford's GT40 8) ), I have no idea about the bar arrangement.
The S has hollow bars and Hornig do a marvellous little device which slots into the inner end of the bar and locks tight with a RAM Ball on which can be mounted any number of differing configurations to get your Nav exactly where you want it.
http://www.motorcycleparts-hornig.com/BMW-K-1200-S/Navigation-and-Communication/GPS-Mounting-Ram-Ball.html
Rider's view of cockpit:
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/4E95DF55-DC81-4769-838A-A78A58E4B8A5_zpsuonnjrnt.jpg) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/4E95DF55-DC81-4769-838A-A78A58E4B8A5_zpsuonnjrnt.jpg.html)
The gizmo as fitted
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/D6CE4AF4-F120-4B87-9D37-A28B279E59F0_zpsv8qu9um3.jpg) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/D6CE4AF4-F120-4B87-9D37-A28B279E59F0_zpsv8qu9um3.jpg.html)
Brian (with apologies for the Stone Age brick and rat's nest of cabling needed to get this beast to work :o )
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GS version...
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/Paul_C_photos/WDPhotos_1428500660378_zpsywhnebcw.jpg)
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Nice job. Your mount plus 660 = ££ saving against Voyager wit.h built in cradle. If only you had gone into production
I'm happy to make something if you provide some drawings. So long as you don't mind waiting (probably a long time) as SWMBO has a BIG list of jobs. I need the brownie points as I'm off to the Alps in June and maybe Spain in September. However, the offer is there if you can wait.
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Some nice handy work by PaulC and some other useful ideas. Thanks one and all. My Bike Electrician used a NN's get round Canbus lead plug today to use the auxillary power socket located at the front of the battery. He neatly wired sat nav and autocom into same, guess what NN's lead appeared to fail as once ignition switched off cables to Autocom and Sat Nav stayed live ! Solution fit a wired switch under seat and turn on when needed. If not he estimates two days and battery will drain. There is an awful lot of electronic gubinns on this bike with more ECu's and Brains than Thunderbird 1 ! Dread to think what these bikes will be like for the later owners in 10- 15 years plus time. Will they be a viable proposition ?
JS
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Some nice handy work by PaulC and some other useful ideas. Thanks one and all. My Bike Electrician used a NN's get round Canbus lead plug today to use the auxillary power socket located at the front of the battery. He neatly wired sat nav and autocom into same, guess what NN's lead appeared to fail as once ignition switched off cables to Autocom and Sat Nav stayed live ! Solution fit a wired switch under seat and turn on when needed. If not he estimates two days and battery will drain. There is an awful lot of electronic gubinns on this bike with more ECu's and Brains than Thunderbird 1 ! Dread to think what these bikes will be like for the later owners in 10- 15 years plus time. Will they be a viable proposition ?
JS
Before you blame the lead, the sat nav plug intentionally stays live for approx 30 seconds or is it a minute, cant remember,after ignition is off, but if its staying on indefinitely then I doubt its the lead that failed, its either your mount or the way it was wired. There should be 3 leads on the NN cable marked 1,2 and 3. No 2 should NOT be used, 1 is Earth and 3 is live. A dealer did once tell me that certain Sat Nav mounts can cause the plug to stay live, but Im not sure whether that was just to try and make people buy the stupidly over-priced Nav IV or V.
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Timbox, Thanks for the info. The Autocom lead stayed live as well, we tested them over a long period. I presume the Canbus brain is keeping them on ?
JS
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The sat nav circuit stays live for 1 Minute after switched off unless as you say JS there is enough current draw to keep it alive.
I never have a problem with this as when I'm done for the day I take the sat nav off of the bike.
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There are two 'live' wires on that connector! One turns off the sat nav with the ignition, the other delays the turn-off for up to a couple of minutes; perfect if you want to grab your waterproofs from the pannier but don't want to lose your sat nav feed, although mine promptly turns off when you re-start the bike.
All you need to do is change the feed from one wire to the unused one! Simples!
Brian (who has the wiring somewhere on his PC and will post it up if he remembers)
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Brian, Would appreciate the diagram when you have the time, thanks
JS
GT had upgraded Horn yesterday now it has a deep pitched shell shaped Horn and a higher pitched twin plus the original all wired up and make a great sound in unison. I do not use same aggresively I find them a great head turner just with a zappy like blast. So many dicks on phones and hurtling towards stop signs and give ways I find a loud audible warning a must plus moving the bike along the line of sight, headlamps, sensible approach speed and cover the brakes as well. I have always believed in riding a bike with a bit of purpose. If you look a bit of a threat dippy drivers (Not all) tend to take a bit of notice. If you are prepared to go along with the flow and stay in the background I think you tend to merge into said background and become hard to define.
JS
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They might if survive corrosion....... :o
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Here are some piccies and wiring instructions for the canbus Sat Nav plug on K12/13 bikes.
The plug is to be found under the battery cover, normally tie-wrapped to the frame. It is black and looks like this:
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/Sat%20Nav%20Connector_zpsy1abchwy.png) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/Sat%20Nav%20Connector_zpsy1abchwy.png.html)
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/Sat%20Nav%20Connector1_zps75difo60.png) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/Sat%20Nav%20Connector1_zps75difo60.png.html)
Here is the connector cable that you can order at your dealer. BMW Part number is 90 000 611 656. Also available from Nippy Normans etc.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/Sat%20Nav%20Connector%20Cable_zpsdnsssrik.png) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/Sat%20Nav%20Connector%20Cable_zpsdnsssrik.png.html)
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/Sat%20Nav%20Connector%20Cable%201_zps9ppln2mf.png) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/Sat%20Nav%20Connector%20Cable%201_zps9ppln2mf.png.html)
The three wires are numbered 1 through 3, bottom to top in photo above.
Wire 1 = Earth, ground, whatever you choose to call it.
Wire 2 = +12v On and off with ignition.
Wire 3 = +12v Direct on with ignition and delayed by 1 minute after ignition is switched off. Time delay varies depending on bike, weather, day of week etc.
Nippy Normans instructions urge one not to use one of the wires but most of us have got the sat nav wired between 1 and 2 or 3 depending if we want the delay or not. No issues reported so far!
Enjoy!
Brian (who used to be an illektrizun, but now he can't spell it :o )
PS Don't know where I got these piccies from but wherever it was, I hereby credit the originator. If anyone recognises the photos or the thumb, do let me know the name and I shall gladly give real credit.
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This should really be in the Sat Nav section but I think only Rae has successfully moved things around in here so if he feels up to it, I shall leave it to him ;D
Brian (who would if he could, but he can't so he won't ::) )
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Brian, Would appreciate the diagram when you have the time, thanks
JS
GT had upgraded Horn yesterday now it has a deep pitched shell shaped Horn and a higher pitched twin plus the original all wired up and make a great sound in unison. I do not use same aggresively I find them a great head turner just with a zappy like blast. So many dicks on phones and hurtling towards stop signs and give ways I find a loud audible warning a must plus moving the bike along the line of sight, headlamps, sensible approach speed and cover the brakes as well. I have always believed in riding a bike with a bit of purpose. If you look a bit of a threat dippy drivers (Not all) tend to take a bit of notice. If you are prepared to go along with the flow and stay in the background I think you tend to merge into said background and become hard to define.
JS
Faultless riding philosophy JS.
Love the "sound" of your horn.
Pity we live so far apart; otherwise I would be asking you ..pretty please...to help me upgrade the pathetic beep! beep! On my GT.
Last time I was in the Derby area (March 2010) was to buy and collect little Lottie from her dysfunctional home where she was bullied by four other canines.
Any info on the horn conversion that you can provide would be much appreciated.
BD (who would then elicite the assistance of ....) Brain (who could rewire and F111 before lunch)
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and as if by magic, it's here
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Nice job. Your mount plus 660 = ££ saving against Voyager wit.h built in cradle. If only you had gone into production
I'm happy to make something if you provide some drawings. So long as you don't mind waiting (probably a long time) as SWMBO has a BIG list of jobs. I need the brownie points as I'm off to the Alps in June and maybe Spain in September. However, the offer is there if you can wait.
That ship has already sailed for me Paul, I have the BMW mount (which, in fairness, I find excellent) with my previously purchased 660 from my RS. Had I seen yours first........
Enjoy the Alps. I have crosses the St Bernard (col) a few times and the excellent Furka and less interesting Simplon once. This leaves a few left to do.
BD
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and as if by magic, it's here
That was quick action
Let us all propose Rae for the position of the mighty MERLIN, hm and then how are we going to name Brian?
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and as if by magic, it's here
Too clever by 'alf my friend.
Brian (who wondered where it had gone :o )
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and as if by magic, it's here
That was quick action
Let us all propose Rae for the position of the mighty MERLIN, hm and then how are we going to name Brian?
'God Almightly' will do for all you mere mortals out there 8)
God Almighty (who thinks 'Sir' will suffice if one is of a religious disposition)
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Faultless riding philosophy JS.
Love the "sound" of your horn....
....Any info on the horn conversion that you can provide would be much appreciated.
BD (who would then elicite the assistance of ....) Brain (who could rewire and F111 before lunch)
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It is much easier than falling off a log. Mine was difficult to hear even if I had just run over you!
I bought two-tone horns, snail shaped thingies. One replaced the original. I made a simple bracket for the off-side of the bike and mounted it in a similar position. Needed a hole drilled in something, hopefully not important; perhaps the A frame or the radiator, can't remember ::)
Just jumped the original wires onto piggyback spade connectors and draped a second set of cables accross the top of the radiator shroud to the nearside. Viola, in instant musical cacophony.
Brian (whose only regret is that the bike stops dead everytime I barp the horns as they throw so much sound out the front)
PS I promised somone on the old site that I would take piccies when the side panels were next off and so far they haven't been, but I will next time I do, honest!
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Faultless riding philosophy JS.
Love the "sound" of your horn....
....Any info on the horn conversion that you can provide would be much appreciated.
BD (who would then elicite the assistance of ....) Brain (who could rewire and F111 before lunch)
It is much easier than falling off a log.[/quote]
No Brian! You lost me just after the bit about logging accidents! I will need your help.