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General forum area => The Euro K Club Lounge => Topic started by: richtea on March 15, 2019, 05:28:53 pm
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My pinlock didn't really do it for me, even though I fitted it quite carefully.
So what other options are there that work for you?
And for spectacles too, if possible?
Thanks!
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Bob Heaths Antifog. With me it's my glasses that steam up, the Pinlock works fine.
https://www.bobheathvisors.co.uk/
Available on Ebay and Amazon.
Edit: There is a bit of a knack to fitting the Pinlock correctly, also they are hygroscopic and need drying out occasionally, I put mine on a tea towel on a radiator to avoid direct heat.
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My pinlock didn't really do it for me, even though I fitted it quite carefully.
So what other options are there that work for you?
And for spectacles too, if possible?
Thanks!
My old open face helmets never fogged up...
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;D ;D ;D
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pinlock and regular cleaning for me.
None of the sprays were ever as effective.
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My old open face helmets never fogged up...
It's a good point - I do usually ride with some sort of air gap, but ocassionally it's not quite enough, and I thought it is about time to find a different solution.
I'll have a look at Bob Heath (who I'm sure must have copped it by now ::))
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Do you have your through-flow air vents open?
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Do you have your through-flow air vents open?
Rarely, but sometimes the chin one. (The rear vents are permanently open on my current helmet for the 'exhaust'.)
I find having the visor open a tiny bit works better than vents, and that's been true for about 5 helmets = ~20 years.
The reason I'm looking now is I'm doing several group tours this year, and it's not really possible to stop and clear when in a convoy!
On your own it's fine to do that. Just planning ahead. Bit like buying a phone mount for Android-based GPS. Slippery slope down, etc. :P
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pinlock and regular cleaning for me.
None of the sprays were ever as effective.
I've ordered a new Pinlock as a start. Turns out there are three variants, which was news to me. I'm going for 120, which should be a step up from the original one - if it fits. Fingers crossed.
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...and you do know that they are adjustable?
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The pins are eccentric.........
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The pins are eccentric.........
Aren't we all ;D ;D
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The pins are eccentric.........
Ah, I noticed but it didn't register why. Thanks Tom, I will adjust them on the next fitting.
Turns out I can't have Pinlock 120 - got to be 70 for my helmet. I guess the pins are different. Odd.
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I think its all to do with the width; you wouldn't want the pi/edge of the insert in your peripheral vision.
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Just got a new helmet with a pollock and very pleased with it I am, I'm purposely riding around with the visor shut at the moment even sneezed the other day and no problems with the visor although I had to put up with the runny nose for a few miles. Prior to this relevation I use to rub some washing up liquid sparingly on the inside of the visor and yes, it needs to be sparingly or you risk being quarantined for suspected rabies. Otherwise it's goggles, used them all the time for off roading and no problems however for the road you look like a reject extra from Mad Max.
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Never knew fish slime could work as well as that... ::)
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Can Bob Heath clear away tears of laughter from your visor too?
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It's probably just a red herring....
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Can Bob Heath clear away tears of laughter from your visor too?
None the wiser after trawling through the site.........
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Can Bob Heath clear away tears of laughter from your visor too?
None the wiser after trawling through the site.........
Ady's typo.
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I imagine it was more of an auto-correct than a typo...either way it's a load of pollocks 8)
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The pins are eccentric.........
Waking this one up now we're back to a damp season again.
I fetched my pinlock out. It happens to come on a visor already (that was the cheapest way of buying one!), so I dipped both in water, and it leaked along the top edge.
That isn't going to do the job, is it.
I unscrewed the pins, and I can now see the eccentric on the pin - they are absolutely tiny.
Actually, my phone can see the eccentrics (I may be able to, if I pretend). This is about the height of four stacked ants. Seriously:
(http://www.poqit.com/pinlock.jpg)
Do I go as tight as possible using the eccentrics? (assuming the pinlock doesn't pop off the surface)
All v fiddly, I must say.
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All you can do Rich is make sure the pinlock is fitted correctly and just snug them up. If you tighten them too much it will distort the part that the cam sits against.
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So, you're saying fit the pinlock, and then swing the eccentrics round to gently tighten?
I've only ever seen videos of people flexing the pinlock in (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQGcF5cKBKo), which did seem a bit hit & miss me too (and proved to be so the last time I had one)
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You need several hands, make sure everything is clean and dry flex the visor flattish and insert the pinlock making sure it sits properly and snug up the eccentric pins, simples ;)
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For some years I have enjoyed the luxury of being supplied with genuine factory Arai double glazed visors my supplier was offered a great deal of money to to wear another helmet fast forward to the end of 18 Bob Heath visors supplied me with a single glazed anti fog visor it has been nothing short of remarkable not the slightest amount of fogging and zero distortion which I got with the Arai double glazed with car headlights.
Best phone them as they only make such for certain helmets.
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I hate Pinlocks.
I think I said I threw the last one away. This one is in grave danger of being folded and binned too:
- first attempt, eccentrics were too close
- second attempt, huge gap at the bottom. How? It can only fit on one position, surely?
- third attempt looked good, but water test failed
- fourth attempt one end of the pinlock split. Jeez.
Each fitting was a battle.
ARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Anyway, even with the split it's closer to sealing (tested by a breath test), but still not perfect.
Bag of shi....
I would have thought a more flexible material + teeny tiny dots all over to keep it off the visor (but still keep the seal all round) would do a better job.
But what do I know? Nuttin'.
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Best phone them as they only make such for certain helmets.
They do sell the visor, Chris, but no pinlock with it, so no double-glazing.
A pretty price, though:
https://www.bobheathvisors.co.uk/shop/59/agv-pista-gp-corsa-gt-veloce-genuine-visors/
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No that is not what i’m Talking about your link is an original visor look at the Arai options(they even sell the rain visor)and bizzarly they hide the anti fog option in with the others at under 28 quid.
The problem BHV have helmet manufactures make producing a replica by others as difficult as possible hence why I said contact them and ask but I’ve had one for over year (Arai)and it’s been nothing short of superb.
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I've never had a problem with the pinlock visor on either my BMW helmet or my Schuberth; but then again, I'm one of those weirdos who actually read the fitting instructions and follow them 8)
Once the pinlock visor is in place you should never be able to 'slide it' into a tighter or looser fit with the pins without lifting the centre of the pinlock off the main visor because the pinlock has a silicone seal around the edge and that should never move without lifting the pinlock visor.
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I think it's technically illegal to use a pinlock at night, same rules that stop you using a tinted visor after dark.
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I think it's technically illegal to use a pinlock at night, same rules that stop you using a tinted visor after dark.
Go on Andy, hammer another nail into it's tiny, flat, yet misty, coffin... ;D
I'll use it on Sunday when I have to do an assessment ride (and it's going to pour & pour sez the Weather Prophet).
If it fogs up, it will meet the criteria required for the unfortunate name of 'single use plastic'. :(
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I'm kind of glad to hear it's not just me who struggles to get it perfect.
It's mostly great, but whenever I do a full clean I struggle to get it back just right. In particularly rubbish conditions it seems to leak a bit. Although lately I'm unsure if it's leaking or actually fogging. Or if it's outside the coverage area... too busy riding!
I like the sound of the solid never fogging thingy!
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I think it's technically illegal to use a pinlock at night, same rules that stop you using a tinted visor after dark.
Wh? It's a clear visor on a clear visor. Legal as tea and scones!
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I think it's technically illegal to use a pinlock at night, same rules that stop you using a tinted visor after dark.
That's a good one. Never heard that before. I think that you must be confusing a pinlock with somethng else.
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I think it's technically illegal to use a pinlock at night, same rules that stop you using a tinted visor after dark.
Assuming it's a clear Pinlock and not a tinted one, I'm sure there are no legal night use issues.
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Blarp
(https://www.denniskirk.com/dk/product_images/dk/1200pix/dk3203361_dddc856bab9b78e980077ae6d6c7ad151b1f491f.jpg)
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I got a new Shoei GT-Air II earlier this year with a Pinlock Evo included. The Shoei manual (page 18) says that when used with a clear visor it does not meet the light transmission standards in the US or Europe so is for 'daytime use only' in those jurisdictions and the Pinlock packaging said the same. The Gov.UK summary of helmet law says a visor or goggles must meet a BSI or EU standard, so it's not entirely clear to me if they are legal or not.
Edit- Just like the picture Matt posted while I was writing this reply!
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I have emailed Pinlock and am awaiting a reply.
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Hmm, is Evo different to the others? Mine is a plain 70.
If so, Pinlock Devo might be a better name.
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Here is the answer from Pinlock
Dear Rae,
Thank you for contacting Pinlock and your interest in our product!
A Pinlock lens can be used during night time. On the packaging of the lens we added a ‘daytime use only’ advice because during dusk, night and dawn, we cannot guarantee the levels of opacity yet. During low-light conditions, light can bounce between the lens and the visor, causing lights to appear double. We would advise weighing the pros and cons of your Pinlock usage in low-light conditions.
We hope this information has been helpful. If you have any further questions please feel free to contact us.
Kind regards,
Vianne
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The legislation says visors must be stamped with the approval. Pinlock lenses aren’t so maybe they aren’t legal at all. Depends if they are treated as part of the visor, which does have an approval on it, or as a separate item. It could also depend on the visor being tested with a Pinlock lens fitted, which it probably wasn’t. Can’t find a definitive list of the penalties, but one site suggested you could get 3 points.
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The response above was directly from Pinlock, if they don't know, nobody does.
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... one site suggested you could get 3 points.
Considering it's a safety aid, I reckon it's not a difficult argument to win:
"A slightly opaque pinlock or a visor fill of mist, Policeman Officer"?
And if he's got one fitted to his helmet, well...
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Ah good work Rae!
I assume then the only way that you'd get in trouble would be if you were pulled over and they did the opacity test thing they do with the cool kids in their cars with idiot tints everywhere. I can see that happening if you've got a silly sausage iridium or obvious tint at night. Or if you get pulled and are being an arse.
But we're all sensible sausages :).
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And so to spectacles.
Pinlock isn't an option ;D, so I bought two anti-mist products - ones that had reasonable reviews on Amazon and that are delivered in a day. Lazy, moi?
Cressi Anti Fog (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0011BBT4I/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item) - £3.99 & 4 stars from a host of people
and
Muc-Off Anti-Fog Treatment (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00167S7HO/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item) - £8.20 & also 4 stars but from less people
The Cressi is half the price AND twice the liquid (60ml v 32ml). The Muc-Off is so glitzy & reflective that you can't read the instructions - had to go online. Hmm.
The Cressi you spray on, leave a few seconds, and then wash off the excess.
The Muc-Off you just rub off the excess. It smears. You have to wipe 99% off to get the specs back to being clear. I paid for that stuff I just virtually completely removed. Double hmmm.
And the results - scientifically done with a boiling kettle for about 3-4 seconds.
No anti-fog (the mist took over a minute to clear - so 4 seconds in the kettle steam was a bit long):
(http://www.poqit.com/anti-fog1.jpg)
And 4 seconds with the Cressi on the left, Muc-Off on the right, just like the bottles. Who says I can't plan?
(http://www.poqit.com/anti-fog2.jpg)
If I leave the glasses in the steam even longer the Muc-Off gets into a state where there's so much water it can't disappear, but it still barely mists up:
(http://www.poqit.com/anti-fog3.jpg)
Impressive.
Cressi -> Bin
Muc-Off -> Pedestal
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Hi All,
I eventually got around to buying a flip earlier this year and went for the ride recommended Lazer. Only thing is have been out on the K once since short spin lovely helmet light it came with a photocomic visor and a pin lock . The visor adjusted to light levels excellently from tint to clear saving having to wear shades pinlock no mist . Saying all that have not be out in cooler times.
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Bob Heaths anti fog
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You buy it & send it over. I'll do the comparison, Rae.
For the greater good...
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I have a new one on order and you can test it in Market Harborough in a couple of weeks time.
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So, with my vari-tint/sundym/whatevver spectacles inside my pinlocked Schuberth visor I am now considered legally blind... 8)
Does this mean I can get a disabled sticker to park nearer the pub door?
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I have a new one on order and you can test it in Market Harborough in a couple of weeks time.
Excellent idea. See you then.
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i invested in a new airoh 701st, eventually carbon fibre...dontca know...it came with my first ever pinlock. now i haven't got a lot of miles on it so far but i'm very impressed with what i've experienced so far.
before that i used original green fairy liquid , other brands and scents are available but they are not as good. wipe onto visor and just keep wiping until the visor is clear...inside only of course. it lasts for a couple of months between treatments. i would think it should work on glasses as well but someone else should be able to "clarify" that.
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I can clarify, clarity is the problem, with detergent there is always a slight mist on your glasses, which used to drive me mad. As I said before I use Bob Heaths Anti Fog which of all the anti mist solutions I have tried is the best.