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General forum area => The Euro K Comms & Sat Nav Corner (including Trackers) => Topic started by: Andym535 on March 26, 2018, 04:39:03 pm

Title: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Andym535 on March 26, 2018, 04:39:03 pm
Any reason to choose one or the other for use on a K13S, apart from price?
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Phmode on March 26, 2018, 04:42:58 pm
Price! Price! And Price.

Oh, and the fact that you have to have the bloody BM thing tank-mounted which is way too low for my line of sight unless you mean not using the BM mount and losing the additional functionality.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: sudolea on March 26, 2018, 06:55:46 pm
What exactly do you call the (bloody) "BM thing" ?
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: sudolea on March 26, 2018, 07:12:20 pm
Oh, I think I get it ... BM = BMW, most probably ...

Andym535, if you want a nice Garmin 595 GPS support (K1300R/S- specific) : I have a BikePenR mount for sale, (pictures in the sales subforum).
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Phmode on March 27, 2018, 12:47:01 pm
Oh, I think I get it ... BM = BMW, most probably ...

Yes. It is a long stretch to the W on the keypad with my right index finger  8)

If you haven't seen the BM-argh-W mount it is a wonder of simplicity and inconvenience that bolts through the front end of the battery cover and drops the sat nav way out of the normal line of sight for most folks. If you use a tank bag it makes it even harder to see and use.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: mab1067 on March 27, 2018, 01:52:13 pm
Totally agree with BMW tank mount. Next to useless unles you extend.
Anyways is the correct size Ram mount to use on head stock when remove BMW badge?
1" BALL BASE WITH M10 X 1.50 PITCH MALE THREAD or is it the 1.25 pitch

Also looking at UK supply for a 3 ball mount?
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: raesewell on March 27, 2018, 01:55:39 pm
3 ball mount here but not cheap
https://www.ram-mount.co.uk/base-with-three-1-balls-p-1283-c-238_286.html?sesid=284khn72rj72hade67s86ntdh3
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: mab1067 on March 27, 2018, 02:19:35 pm
Cheers Rae, can you tell me if single ball mount is 1.5 or 1.25 thread pitch. Just away to order one up. The Motorsport has helibars so cant use conical mount that went inside bars. Shame as these were great.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: raesewell on March 27, 2018, 02:30:16 pm
Sorry, I have no idea of the thread pitch.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Phmode on March 27, 2018, 03:11:13 pm
Cheers Rae, can you tell me if single ball mount is 1.5 or 1.25 thread pitch. Just away to order one up. The Motorsport has helibars so cant use conical mount that went inside bars. Shame as these were great.

I had the conical mounts on my K12S before I fitted the Helibars. When I did I had a local engineering company machine off the cone and drill and tap the end of the Helibars so I could fit the 'conical' mounts flush to the end of the bars. Simples! But less so if you don't fancy taking the bars outof course.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: mab1067 on March 27, 2018, 04:24:19 pm
Thats a cracking idea and would have been ideal. Dont fancy taking bars off to be honest and looking for a very simple fix.
Will keep in mind though should i feel brave enough.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Andym535 on March 29, 2018, 09:04:52 am
Zumo 595 it is then. Sat Nav, bar end mount and the BMW connector arrived yesterday. Checking with a multimeter it seems of the three yellow wires coming out of the connector 1 is -Ve, 3 is +12v and it's switched by the ignition (eventually).

Only issue to be resolved is what to do with the yards of cable attached to the Garmin mount. Apart from the extra length it has audio in and out, Mic in and USB sockets that I don't need. I'm inclined to cut that back so I only have the 18" of cable needed to get to the connector in front of the battery; the mount is 'only' £40 to replace if I ever need one of the other connectors. 
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: TomL on March 29, 2018, 12:53:36 pm
Coil it up neatly and hang it out of sight inside the side panel. There is a USB connector on there which might come in useful later.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Andym535 on March 29, 2018, 01:28:00 pm
Coil it up neatly and hang it out of sight inside the side panel. There is a USB connector on there which might come in useful later.

Not any more, there isn't. I did think about the USB socket but in the end decided to ditch it and keep it down to the minimum 2 wires and 18" of cable. All done now, and it seems to be working. Just hope I can read it without my reading glasses after all this...
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Phmode on March 29, 2018, 02:14:23 pm
Both of the 12v wires are switched by the ignition, one immediately on turn off, the other after an indeterminate delay of about 30 seconds.

I can't stand mine turning off with the ignition so have it directly across the battery.

I found the neatest place for the coiled loom to be tucked down in front of the battery with a lazy loop to the head mount to allow flexibility for the steering. Easier to get to than in the fairing too.

As for the eyesight, I am asuming you are long-sighted  8)
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: TomL on March 29, 2018, 02:16:03 pm
I still prefer the display on the Zumo 500.

The 590 squeezes much more onto the display but the print size is smaller and not conducive to reading when riding a motorcycle.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: Andym535 on March 29, 2018, 04:04:54 pm
As for the eyesight, I am asuming you are long-sighted  8)

Shortsighted + Contact lenses + Old age = need for reading glasses sometimes.
Title: Re: Zumo 595 or Navigator VI
Post by: sudolea on March 29, 2018, 05:41:35 pm
...
I found the neatest place for the coiled loom to be tucked down in front of the battery with a lazy loop to the head mount to allow flexibility for the steering. Easier to get to than in the fairing too.
...

I found the original loom too cumbersome to put away properly. And I didn't need all those other cables anyway. So I dismantled my Zümo 595's mount, removed the original loom, and fixed a single (power-only) cable to it. This way, the mount can be made removable (if you provide a waterproof 12V feed). So outside the holidays, you can unmount it : the GPS is useless then, as the way to and from work is known anyway. Unmounting it (a 2 minute job) gives a better reach for inserting the contact key, and the original BMW logo isn't bad either :)

For those interested in making such a leaner Zümo 595 (removable) mount, I made a small video of it some time ago, including the parts list for doing that same job himself : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2qydiYTEsI