Diagnostic tool that works on a 1300GT ?

[Andym535]

I've got a bench oscilloscope (a Rigol MSO2072a hacked to enable 300Mhz and all the options) that'll decode CAN, but at a very low level. So although you can see what's on the bus it doesn't tell you what it means. I set it up to sniff test messages between a couple of Arduinos sending CAN messages to each other using some '3 for £5' Chinese CAN shields and it can read those.

One day I'll hook it up the the K just to see...

In the mean time, Rich you're welcome to have my GS911 for a play if you like, as I'm a bit closer than Brian.

[richtea]

The GS911 claims to do ESA calibration, but I've never tried it. The most useful things it's done so far are to change the tyre pressure readout to PSI and set the clock to the right time.

Are you able to do that with the UniCarScan unit + full MotoScan setup Brian? Does it allow setup of the TPMS sensors?

I downloaded the App "to see" but it doesn't tell me much without the hardware.

How much is the software upgrade please?

Thanks

TL;DR

> change the tyre pressure readout to PSI.       YES
> set the clock to the right time.                         YES
> Does it allow setup of the TPMS sensors?       YES
> How much is the software upgrade please?    £35.54 That's the max cost.


And some detail.


Dongle Check Screen

Before you purchase, the Motoscan app can check what capabilities your ODB dongle has.

Dongle check screen:





Menu Structure

The main part of the app is a tree of menus:
- top level: big sub-systems like Engine Electonics, Instrument Cluster, etc.
- 2nd level: read live data, read settings, play with 'actuators', send control codes (whatever they might be)
- 3rd level = individual settings/actions

Top-level menu:


2nd-level menu (slightly different depending on which top level menu you picked):


3rd-level example - this one is some of the Engine Electonics'actuators':

I only played with one in there - turn the fan on and off. The rest I left alone. 



Service Reset

Instrument Cluster-> 2nd-level menu , showing 'Service reset'


So, off we go into the service reset menu (3rd level of menu, i.e. the bottom), and change the service date:

Service reset screen - old service date

Service reset screen - new service date

And you can also change the motorcycle date:

Service reset screen - old motorcycle date

Service reset screen - new motorcycle date

Tyre pressure units

Instrument Cluster -> 3rd level menu -> Coding: including the 'Pressure unit' setting

Before - Bar

After - PSI

I also did MPH -> kilometres for fun:
KMH



Fault clearing
This is a historical fault from last autumn that was still hanging around. I cleared it.

Read faults (Engine)

Fault cleared

TPMS

TPMS can be done by 'learning', or by manually entering the details. You can delete them too.
However, I didn't test the 'learn' or 'manual' features, other than make sure it found mine.

TPMS 'learn' mode

TPMS manual entry

Things that didn't work

There are a vast number of settings, so I just hit stuff I recognised, that looked safe to run. Here are few things below that didn't work.
It's not clear whether it's hardware (dongle), software (Motoscan), or if that setting just isn't available on a K1300S.
This is where a comparison with GS911 would be useful.

Bits that didn't seem to work:
- ESA detection
- fuel strip detection
- brake switch detection (clutch and side stand worked nicely, though)
- the app didn't like having the bike switched off and on again. That crashed it. At least, I think that was the crash reason. It restarts in about 10 seconds.


Live data example - brake switches not recognised


There is a huge choice of parameters you can add to this live screen above. I picked boring stuff, but you can do revs, volts, throttle position(I think I saw that, but didn't get the screen) and so on.

ESA not recognised

Fuel strip not recognised

Miscellaneous

Just for fun, a few of the screens full of stuff I'm not sure are useful/usable.
These are from the Engine -> Coding menu, and Instrument-> Coding menu.

Coding screenshot	Coding screenshot
Coding screenshot	Coding screenshot
Coding screenshot	Coding screenshot

[richtea]

In the mean time, Rich you're welcome to have my GS911 for a play if you like, as I'm a bit closer than Brian.

Thank you both for the offer - Brian, Andy.

I'll definitely take you up on that, but maybe give it another month, when the weather is more reliable.
(it's lovely today, though - almost Costas temperature as 12C).

[sitting_duck]

Awesome guide that man, I have the ICOM Next hardware but I'm going to buy the MotoScan dongle and app  so I can take it with when I'm touring given it's such a small amount of kit to pack!

[richtea]

Awesome guide that man, I have the ICOM Next hardware but I'm going to buy the MotoScan dongle and app  so I can take it with when I'm touring given it's such a small amount of kit to pack!

The UniCarScan dongle is quite small - 5x5x10 cm or so.
The biggest bit is the adaptor cable. Mine is about 1m of cable + two necessarily fat connectors. It only needed to be about 10 cm of cable. Or even 0 cm! Hey ho, you learn.

Get both the adaptor cable & UniCarScan dongle for £75 inc P&P (that makes the cable about £15, and you can request a short one):
(UPDATED: direct link to German manufacturer)
https://www.wgsoft.de/shop/obd-2-komplettsysteme/unicarscan/114/unicarscan-ucsi-2000-diagnoseadapter

By the way, the price of the UniCarScan dongle on it's own seems to have gone up by £5 since I bought mine, but if you get the cable too, £15 is good value for known quality.

[Lotus26R]

Thanks RT - what a great write up - better than anything I've been able to find on the web from either manufacturer! - you should be in sales.

Sounds like my credit card is about to take a £110.54 hit very soon.

[Andym535]

I could be wrong but I thought they’d dropped the fuel strip on the K1300 and put a float sensor in the tank instead, so that might explain why that bit didn’t work.

[Phmode]

The GS911 claims to do ESA calibration, but I've never tried it. The most useful things it's done so far are to change the tyre pressure readout to PSI and set the clock to the right time.

Are you able to do that with the UniCarScan unit + full MotoScan setup Brian? Does it allow setup of the TPMS sensors?

I downloaded the App "to see" but it doesn't tell me much without the hardware.

How much is the software upgrade please?

Thanks

Not me. I'm a dullard with a GS-911 

However, I did buy a similar thing for the car which allows me to turn on/off various features and adjust a pile of stuff. The biggest treat was turning OFF the engine Stop/Start feature, PERMANENTLY, which was was annoying the hell out of me. I also now get my nearside mirror dipping when I select reverse. This is enabled or disabled by the mirror adjuster switch position.

Well worth the £20.

[richtea]

The biggest treat was turning OFF the engine Stop/Start feature, PERMANENTLY, which was was annoying the hell out of me.

I like Stop/Start. It keeps passengers guessing whether I'm competent.
And it covers my arse when I really have stalled the car.

[Phmode]

Disabling Stop/Start doesn't disable auto restart on stall. At least not on Audi A3s. So my incompetence is covered and I get a nice peaceful life.

[sudolea]

Well thát is, in a nutshell, these Chinese split-eyes poisoning the market...

(I realise I put this in the wrong thread, should've been posted in "Quick & Easy in-depth electronic diagnosis for CHEAP"), sorry.

[Blobby]

My van has stop/start and it's a lottery whether it fires back up again, the starter motor turns the engine but it's as if it's not on quite long enough to give a stable tickover, so you end up do a Michael Flatley on the clutch pedal

[TomL]

The batteries cost an arm and a leg on stop start vehicles. Goodness knows what a starter will cost.

[MadMountainbike]

Late to this one, but I bought the OBDLink LX and full Motoscan. Works really well, the previous screen shots cover off functionality so I won't go in to that.

Worth mentioning is the guy who runs Motoscan, he's great, answers emails and will help out with any questions about diagnostic results.

I was thinking about stuff like the ESA diagnostics, I haven't tried but there are various other diagnostic ports (standard OBD not the main round one)  on some the other controllers so wondered if plug directly in to the ESA board for the suspension?

Also worth noting is that the OBDLink LX works with lots of other vehicles, not just the bike

[richtea]

Reminder (possibly just to myself  ):

- to reset the service indicator using the MotoScan app, you need to change BOTH the mileage and date, since the BMW logic is:
- by 10000Kms OR 12 months time

When successfully reset, the result is reflected in the grey text at the top.