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Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« on: June 25, 2017, 11:56:10 pm »
Hi All.Long time/no post...time goes by soooo fast,and I have no excuse for this forum being my first port of call for today's problem with my K1300GT.
Pulled away from car park,(St Ives Motorcycle Festival),15mph not really gunning it,engine just cuts out...nothing else,just the motor,immediate EWS warning and EML symbol on the display.Won't turn over,strangely the alarm messed about for a bit too,i.e,could turn it off on the fob but a few seconds later it would wail again.Until after a few minutes then it stopped and went back to normal.
But still no engine turn over or start and warnings on the display.
Dropped the battery earth for a couple of minutes,no change.
Removed the fuse on the Datatool alarm/immob,(fitted alongside the BMW version as demanded by the insurance company)
Recovered home,will call Steve at Motoscot in the am unless anyone has any suggestions.
Btw,my bike still has the hot start issue intermittently,when it happens I just patiently wait for it to start rather than beg BMW to sort out an issue on an 8 year old bike.
TIA,
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 05:20:50 am »
Quote from: Lightning_650 on June 25, 2017, 11:56:10 pm
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Removed the fuse on the Datatool alarm/immob,(fitted alongside the BMW version as demanded by the insurance company)
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Sorry that I have nothing more helpful to say than I'll bet your problem will be found here.
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 06:29:22 am »
My mind goes to the electric swich in the power cable. 
This is a part of the hot start harness that should have been changed by your dealer long time ago at no cost.
Next is the switch. Same as above .
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2017, 10:33:48 pm »
Quote from: Costas on June 26, 2017, 06:29:22 am
My mind goes to the electric swich in the power cable. 
This is a part of the hot start harness that should have been changed by your dealer long time ago at no cost.
Next is the switch. Same as above .
Costas,thank you for that,I'll have to borrow a manual to find where this switch is located.
As my bike still has the intermittent,"hot start",issue,i imagine that the replacement harness has never been fitted.
Funny thing ,my Ducati ST2 also had the same intermittent hot starting issue ,but afaIk Ducati never did anything about it.
I bought an upgrade kit offf a Ducati forum seller,it was thicker battery to solenoid/solenoid to starter cables.Sorted it straightaway.
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 10:18:06 am »
Talked with my trusted mechanic and he  suggest a visit to a dealer with a pic since he said the fault of EWS would click an interim fault code viewable to pc.
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 09:02:07 pm »
Quote from: Costas on June 28, 2017, 10:18:06 am
Talked with my trusted mechanic and he  suggest a visit to a dealer with a pic since he said the fault of EWS would click an interim fault code viewable to pc.
Oh not the stealers....
Ho-hum...it's only money I suppose...*sigh*....
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 10:55:51 pm »
Update for anyone interested:
Just got the bike back,(at the second attempt)
Took it over to Steve at Motoscot,left it with them,they diagnosed it as a Datatool problem but came up with a workaround that APPEARED to by-pass the fault.
Collected it,got about 3 miles and the bike died again,same EWS/EML lights as before.
Luckily the missus was still following,the Motoscot guys came for the bike and I left it with them to do whatever was necessary.
Removed the horrid aftermarket nightmare thing,all good now...no issues whatsoever.
Thank you Motoscot...
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 11:29:18 pm »
The 'horrid nightmare thing' being the Datatool alarm?
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 06:38:21 pm »
Quote from: Phmode on July 10, 2017, 11:29:18 pm
The 'horrid nightmare thing' being the Datatool alarm?

Otherwise known as the immobiliser?
Seems to have worked.

I'll show myself out.  :D
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2017, 08:02:35 am »
Quote from: Phmode on July 10, 2017, 11:29:18 pm
The 'horrid nightmare thing' being the Datatool alarm?
Yes.
My insurance company insisted on a Thatcham approved immobiliser being fitted,(as the BMW OEM immob is not Thatcham approved).
Two immobilisers on the same bike was never a good idea Imo,and I was surprised it took this long for the issue to arise.
I've since been surprised to find that Datatool do not enjoy a glowing reputation amongst those who repair motorcycles.
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2017, 08:04:40 am »
Quote from: richtea on July 11, 2017, 06:38:21 pm
Quote from: Phmode on July 10, 2017, 11:29:18 pm
The 'horrid nightmare thing' being the Datatool alarm?

Otherwise known as the immobiliser?
Seems to have worked.

I'll show myself out.  :D
;D ;D ;D
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2017, 08:45:10 am »
Got an email today regarding Thatcham, stating that aproval was finnaly optained, it would be useful, if some of you there investifgate further and notify us. 
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Re: Engine stopped while pulling away: electrics work and EWS warning on display
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2017, 03:14:16 pm »
Nothing on their site yet....

https://www.thatcham.org/files/pdf/Consumer/VS-April-2017.pdf#page57

Select 'Motorcycles' in the heading then scroll down to the list of approved systems and manufacurers.
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