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General forum area => K1200 / K1300 Forum => Topic started by: Phmode on February 15, 2016, 02:38:40 pm
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Being a dork and having spent no more than 2 seconds peering under the seat of my new K13 before buying it, I 'ass u me d' that the black box under there was an alarm.
WRONG
It is in fact the Schrader Electronics RDC (TPMS) unit.
Now, my mate has an S Sport with both alarm and RDC and his alarm unit is under the rear of the seat, just like my alarm on my K12S, in the same place that the K13 RDC unit is located!
So, two (at least) questions...
Firstly, where is his RDC unit located?
Secondly, where would my Alarm unit fit if I buy one?
Thirdly, does it mean re-locationg my RDC if I fit an alarm?
Brian the dork (who is well confused :o )
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I refuse to answer this question to any BMW owner.
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The alarm is fitted in the same box and then that same box has diferent name. They should give you back the old single box as a gift. The new one installed would be ALARM and TPM unit and have two exit ports.
Inside you will find the batteries to be changes every 5 years.
Bikes without any of those boxes (sinle or douple port) do exist. In that case the RDC is part of the ECU unit (bike has diferent specs new version ECU unit). Assuming that it's a factory RDC.
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Confused, I am now!
My 12 has an alarm that looks like an alarm, with a big sounder on the top surface.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/1E1768B2-B991-4850-B034-EBD3FBCAF444_zpsrggcgaus.jpg) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/1E1768B2-B991-4850-B034-EBD3FBCAF444_zpsrggcgaus.jpg.html)
My mate's K13 has the same unit. They both have 2 moulded 'sockets', but both have only the left hand one connected to the bike.
My 13 has this Schrader box with one socket and only one 'Plug' on the loom.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a598/phmode/AF3C2451-C926-4FEB-9482-1DD079C35719_zpsdpor4skh.jpg) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/phmode/media/AF3C2451-C926-4FEB-9482-1DD079C35719_zpsdpor4skh.jpg.html)
Neither bike has a 'spare' connector on the loom waiting to be plugged into something.
So, does the same connector do both functions?
Brian
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yes as Costas has said Brian it's a dual function black box when the alarm and RDC is fitted .... such is the black magic of canbus systems :)
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Brian the 12 has no RDC factory installed only the alarm
13 has the RDC single unit like mine and every body else had leaving factory.
At Alarm installation they will change the single unit with the double port box, introduce alarm to ECU via pc and recalibrate RDC with both wheel TPS'S. And they should give you the single box back.
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My K13GT had the same box as the one on your K12 Brian, just alarm, no TPMS
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Sounds like my wallet is going to get an agressive assault!
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220 in euros is the price including installation, programming and reprogramming of wheel sensors. HERE
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220 in euros is the price including installation, programming and reprogramming of wheel sensors. HERE
So I don't get 'dealered' what is the part number and or description of what I need to buy!
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You need thec Control unit for alarm system/RDC 433MHZ s/n 165758544716 and the
Remote control 433 MHZ s/n 265752337407 .
But the alarm would not work unless you take it to a dealer for programming with ECU , even the horn would not work without reprogramming not to mention the RDC.
If you choose to buy an alarm fm other company GT is the brand that works currently with BMW , also makes the 120 OHM Resistor neened for such an installation.
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The alarm is fitted in the same box and then that same box has diferent name. They should give you back the old single box as a gift. The new one installed would be ALARM and TPM unit and have two exit ports.
+1 this is exactly what happened when I added an alarm to my K1300, Peter
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I dont know the answer but my K1300s has both, with the alarm added later when I bought the bike.
I think the alarm has to be installed by the dealer to be valid for insurance?
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Perhaps, but they would never know. Either way, it has to be initialised by the dealer to even work.
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Good point in UK insurances are charging according to the type, installation, acredidation of alarm brand, etc. Some time ago insurance charges were explained by a member.
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So how much would a retro-fit alarm cost me all in?
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just a point I am lead to believe the bmw alarm is not Thatcham approved hence most
insurance companies don't discount for it mine certainly didn't.
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So how much would a retro-fit alarm cost me all in?
Motorworks just quoted me £75 for a K1300S alarm with RDC (TPMS). Oh, and plus £10 for the plip? Oh, and you need to get it coded at the stealer's.
With or without RDC, they quote the same price.
Beian (who still doesn't understand but probably knows a man who does :( )
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Mmmm - I'm sure I was charged c£220 when I had mine fitted to my "new" K in October 2014...and that has the TPM
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I remember a long discussion about Thatcham, and can reply to it. That UK contractor hired by the government responding to a request by British law and the insurance companies requires an annual fee and beta models from alarm manufactures to be included in their list of abroved companies.
The fee is not the case , definitely BMW Motorrad can afford it , but the BETA model rases the issue of copy right protected under the German law. This is a case that if brought to the European Court it's a definite loss for Thatcham and it's protectors.
Imagine that the company aproves GT alarms when at the same time does not aprove the BMW one wich is made made under agreement by the same company GT.
EU crap again in my opinion and money in pockets of many in UK.
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Mmmm - I'm sure I was charged c£220 when I had mine fitted to my "new" K in October 2014...and that has the TPM
That's the new price including the plips and the coding etc. etc.
The Motorworks price was for a second hand (pre-loved) unit, £75 plus £10 for ONE plip all of which needs fitting and coding! Good news is there is no VAT on alarm units!
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Have you had an alarm fitted Brian?
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Mmmm - I'm sure I was charged c£220 when I had mine fitted to my "new" K in October 2014...and that has the TPM
That's the new price including the plips and the coding etc. etc.
The Motorworks price was for a second hand (pre-loved) unit, £ŷ75 plus £10 for ONE plip all of which needs fitting and coding! Good news is there is no VAT on alarm units!
Argh - thanks,
I didn't even think of sourcing a "used" alarm.
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Have you had an alarm fitted Brian?
Not yet Tom, hopefully in the process of it!
I have access to a Windows laptop for a few hours this weekend so I can fire up the RepROM and dig out all the torques I haven't used fitting all the bits and bobs( ;D) and see what it says about the alalrm fitting process to boot!
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Mmmm - I'm sure I was charged c£220 when I had mine fitted to my "new" K in October 2014...and that has the TPM
That's the new price including the plips and the coding etc. etc.
The Motorworks price was for a second hand (pre-loved) unit, £ŷ75 plus £10 for ONE plip all of which needs fitting and coding! Good news is there is no VAT on alarm units!
Argh - thanks,
I didn't even think of sourcing a "used" alarm.
It is easy to overlook the obvious! It's not like they wear out or anything and the coding is easy enough to get sorted by your local stealer!
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Agh this reminds me to find the manual for mine. Sometimes nothing flashes, sometimes it beeps at me, sometimes I feel like throwing my hands up in the air.
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The con with the alarm, as I found out after I had mine fitted, is that it switches itself off after a few days....
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There is nothing in the reprom on alarm unit simply cause the manufacturer GT provides hard copies of instructions only.
The dealer only has a detail installtion copy.
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Here is the link to the alarm manual
http://www.bmwk.nl/webPaginas/literatuur/origineel_bmw_materaal/pdf/3000_BMW_alarmHandleidingEngelsDWA-6.pdf
Enjoy!
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The con with the alarm, as I found out after I had mine fitted, is that it switches itself off after a few days....
Yep! About 7 days. Even if you have it on an Optimate. It is to save bike battery life.
The answer is to re-activate once a week. If mine isn't being used I just turn it on, then set the alarm when I turn it off.
Living under a cover, I always check it is still my bike under there and not some cardboard cut-out. This happened to a mate of mine back in my air force days. Bike parked outside mess, under cover. Guy went out to go home on it one weekend and all that was under the cover was a pile of cardboard boxes biffed into a rough bike shape! Bastards!
Brian (who would rather the alarm turned off than flattened his battery :( )
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The con with the alarm, as I found out after I had mine fitted, is that it switches itself off after a few days....
Yep! About 7 days. Even if you have it on an Optimate. It is to save bike battery life.
The answer is to re-activate once a week. If mine isn't being used I just turn it on, then set the alarm when I turn it off.
Hence the lack of Thatcham approval?
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Here is the link to the alarm manual
http://www.bmwk.nl/webPaginas/literatuur/origineel_bmw_materaal/pdf/3000_BMW_alarmHandleidingEngelsDWA-6.pdf
Enjoy!
Ooh ta Brian, I was about to finally get up but now I can stay here! :)
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Do not forget to change the internal alarm unit battery now that you have it at hand, and forget it for long long time.
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Thanks for prices, but what does the alarm actually do? Does it just sense bike movement (my disc lock does that) or voltage drop etc? Bet for that price it's not one of those snazzy ones that tell you to back away as you approach the bike.... :-\
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Why not follow my link above to find out what it does?
Sect. 9 I believe.
But, if you can't be bothered to follow the link, it alarms on motion, an attempt to start the bike with a key other than the correct one or any attempt to cut power to the alarm unit!
Brian (who would walk round a bike in circles all day long if it spoke to him :o )
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A quick change of direction - So if I have a BMW Alarm on my K1300S I can have the Type Pressure Monitor retrofitted? Will it then show on my on-board computer via the info button?
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A quick change of direction - So if I have a BMW Alarm on my K1300S I can have the Type Pressure Monitor retrofitted? Will it then show on my on-board computer via the info button?
Yes you can. You can also get it retrofitted if you don't have a BMW alarm. It will need to be introduced/registered to your bike by the stealer.
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if you very got the tps sensors on wheels that is.
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There are an awful lot of threads on other (mainly US) sites where lots of members, and BMW NA, are adamant that it is not possible unless the RDC was in the original build of the bike. This was mainly for F800/650 bikes but one member (who used to frequent this site) was having trouble getting it to work on a K1200S.
In USA, they sell an aftemarket kit of all the bits you need, but even having purchased the kit, the mothership won't allow the computer to register the option. This was as of 2014.
I don't know if this is different for Europe, but unless anyone has actually done it successfully, I wouldn't spend money speculatively.
Brian (who thinks caveat emptor is most appropriate in this case)
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I stand corrected.
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I stand corrected.
Not necessarily Tom. It may be different for the K in Europe. The site I was trawling yesterday even had the dealers saying it could be done, but when oush came to shove, they had to admit defeat.
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I will ask when I'm next in a dealers.
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Actually, I am fairly sure that BruceV was in that forum. Ididn't mark it snd now can't find it again. Maybe Bruce can shed some light.....
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At the risk of trying to resurrect a very old post...
I suspect I too may be confused.
My 2014 K13 has TPMS fitted in a Schrader box with one socket under the seat. Am I correct in understanding that, if I buy a combined TPMS/Alarm unit this will be a straight replacement for my existing box (ie, just the one outlet but presumably a cut-out for the sounder on top).
I will be able to get my local dealer to code it into the bike and then I'll be able to use it with or without a remote control. There were some photo's on this thread that would probably have answered my question but they seem not to be linked anymore.
Thanks
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They were my piccies, stolen by Photobucket...
Yes, you are correct. When I fitted the combined Alarm/TPMS unit to my TPMS only K13S, it worked straight away.
Can't find my own post. If you can pm me the link to the post, assuming it was mine you were looking at, I will pm you the piccies so you know what you are looking at.
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My first K1300S did not have an alarm which I wanted to paid for the upgrade, local dealer did the work (put in the new box and reset a few software bits) and all was good. Even got the old TPMS block as a present! Peter
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It is exactly as you described it simples plug and play.
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My first K1300S did not have an alarm which I wanted to paid for the upgrade, local dealer did the work (put in the new box and reset a few software bits) and all was good. Even got the old TPMS block as a present! Peter
Thanks Peter. Think I'll get one sorted for mine.
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It is exactly as you described it simples plug and play.
Thanks Costas - nice to see you ticked the option box hard.
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Mine has the alarm and the RDC. Do I win a prize? ::)