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Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« on: March 23, 2023, 02:26:37 pm »
Thinking of swapping some filament bulbs over to LED on my 2010 K1300GT namely;

Sidelights x2 (501 W5W)
Front Indicators x2 (435 H21W)
Rear Indicators x2 (382 P21W)
Stop/Taillight x2 (382 P21W)

I’m leaving the Xenon HID D1R/35W main beam and twin H7 55W Halogens high beam high beam as they are…for the time being at least as I have not ridden in the dark yet and wanted to see how they perform.

I have already swapped the sidelights over for some LED bulbs from LEDPerf mainly because one had blown and the other was very yellow and looked odd viewed alongside the Xenon.

Before:


After:


What I wanted to know is are the bulb types listed above the correct type?

I am aware of potential CAN Bus issues but has anybody any experience of LED replacement bulbs in general and Philips Ultinon in particular?

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« Last Edit: July 09, 2024, 12:04:59 pm by GlynH »

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2023, 02:29:38 pm »
And I’m still unable to post photos hosted in Google Drive despite setting them to Shared and friends being able to view them by sending the same link that I sandwich between the two img markers when posting here… >:(

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PS: Update. Managed to solve he problem of images not displaying from Google Drive. Turns out my iPhone was uploading to GD in .HEIC format and the BBS software cannot decode/display .heic. Converted both photos to .jpg and they now display! Yay...
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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2023, 04:16:34 pm »
Ah. I'm trying to type out how to resolve image fun but the forum I think sees me throwing urls in and is getting scared.

Essentially img tags are for linking to the image file. i.e png or jpg etc. Your links are to the google drive viewer, as I suspect Google aren't really wanting Drive to be used as hosting. There's a thread on image hosting, but basically use imgbb or equivalent and it's literally 20 seconds to upload an image and get a direct image url.
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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2023, 09:40:29 am »


Appears to be ok now Matt.
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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2023, 12:59:39 pm »
And I’m still unable to post photos hosted in Google Drive despite setting them to Shared and friends being able to view them by sending the same link that I sandwich between the two img markers when posting here… >:(

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Well I just figured out why I have been unable to post photos from a shared folder in Google Drive despite following the excellent instructions from a 4 year old post from Rich...it's because the default format to upload photos from my iPhone is in .heic format and this BBS doesn't display them!

As a test I uploaded a standard .jpeg file and it displays just fine.

That's the 'Apple standard' I suppose... >:(

Ah well at least I've figured it out...so as soon as I've converted all the photos in Google Drive to .jpeg and see if I can set the iPhone to upload in a format that the rest of the World can display brace yourselves for a flurry of photographs!  ;)

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2023, 10:33:59 pm »
Be careful with LEDs a indicators - the lower current can lead to faster flashing (haven't tried it on the K, is this true?).

On another make of bike, I found a solid-state relay that did not rely on drawn current to set the flash rate.

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2023, 11:25:19 pm »
It's true. I have LEDs indicators at the front, but not the back for that reason. One of each type mixed flashes slightly fast  but not so much it's annoying / illegal. If you put a load in there, you can have 4 LEDs, but I couldn't be arsed since the front ones are the only ones my tutees look at. And even then not often enough. :-)

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2023, 12:38:59 am »
I just installed LED indicators on my K1300R front and back. The come with resisters so there is no ‘Lampf’ warning. Just double checked their speed and they seem normal. This is a North American K so…not sure if there is a difference.
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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2023, 11:22:48 am »
Well although I did buy some Philips Ultinon Pro 6000 LED bulbs since I originally posted I haven't yet gotten round to fitting them mainly because I don't want to upset anything! This seems to be my Modus Operandi...

I managed to purchase Ultinon equivalents to all of the above bulbs apart from those 435 /H21W front indicator bulbs as Philips don't seem to make them although they are of course available in other manufacturers ranges.

When I get round to it I might change those cheap sidelight bulbs over to the Philips and give it a week or so to see if the bike does flag any LAMPF! errors and if all is good maybe rinse & repeat first with both stop/taillight bulbs followed by rear indicator bulbs.

Tempted to just replace one of every pair first and operate the lights and video the difference between bulb types to see if they do actually make a difference and if so to what degree. But I'm full of ideas like this that never see the light of day...

I have been down the LED bulb 'try it & see' road when I replaced all the bulbs in the house as my Smart light switches work by 'sipping' a bit of power going to the fitting to keep it alive and with the much lower resistance I ended up with some LED bulbs glowing faintly even though the switch was turned off!

The solution was to keep one original bulb in a light fitting where I had swapped the remaining 5 bulbs to LED to show some resistance to drag the current down so they didn't glow when switched off caused by the small current flowing through the low wattage LED bulb to neutral to power the SmartSwitch.

Don't want to install any resistor/dummy load on the bike if I can help it and would probably just retain the original bulbs if I start to see errors.

Interestingly all the bulbs I have looked at on the bike so far have been OEM judging by the date marks on them so have proven very reliable in the 13 years since the bike was built.

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2023, 11:45:57 am »
Found a compatible LED flasher relay from R & G.

https://www.rg-racing.com/browsebike/BMW/K1300S/2012/RGRELAY001/

But is it required?

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2023, 12:18:24 pm »
And I’m still unable to post photos hosted in Google Drive despite setting them to Shared and friends being able to view them by sending the same link that I sandwich between the two img markers when posting here… >:(

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Well I just figured out why I have been unable to post photos from a shared folder in Google Drive despite following the excellent instructions from a 4 year old post from Rich...it's because the default format to upload photos from my iPhone is in .heic format and this BBS doesn't display them!

As a test I uploaded a standard .jpeg file and it displays just fine.

That's the 'Apple standard' I suppose... >:(

Ah well at least I've figured it out...so as soon as I've converted all the photos in Google Drive to .jpeg and see if I can set the iPhone to upload in a format that the rest of the World can display brace yourselves for a flurry of photographs!  ;)

-=Glyn=-

Yup...that was it. Converted both photos in my original post to .jpg and they now display as they should!

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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2023, 12:20:54 pm »
Found a compatible LED flasher relay from R & G.

https://www.rg-racing.com/browsebike/BMW/K1300S/2012/RGRELAY001/

But is it required?

Never thought about replacing the relay.

Hopefully I won't have to but don't hold your breath about me trying it out and reporting back any time soon. I'm particularly slow about getting round to doing this type of thing but at least I now have options!

Thanks & kind regards,
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Re: Quick LED Bulb sanity check
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2024, 02:22:29 pm »
Well I wasn't kidding when I said I'm particularly slow about getting round to doing this type of thing as its taken me just over a year to get round to retrofitting some of the original bulbs with LEDS but I just wanted to update this thread!

As previously mentioned I purchased some Philips Ultinon Pro6000 LEDS and had already replaced the front sidelights to great effect but unfortunately they don't manufacture the H21W as installed in the front indicators which basically only left the rear light cluster of P21W indicators & stop/taillights.

Interestingly the LEDS would not work in any way, shape or form as stop/taillights due I believe to them being controlled by varying power to alter their state unlike traditional bulbs which would normally be 12v switched two filament although the BMW uses single filament type and are modulated by the bikes electronics.

I know from experience that LEDS can be fussy when I went over to LEDS in the house and they would not work nicely with dimmer switches.

Basically that only left the rear indicators so I swapped those out and the LEDS appear brighter & sharper if that makes sense? Maybe a better way to describe the difference would be to say the OEM bulbs are not as bright and look a little lazy compared to LED. I could have dodged a bullet by not being able to replace all four indicator bulbs as Rich found out because I ran the risk of having them speed up to a rate that may have been an MOT failure.

I did however replace those orange front indicator lenses with a pair of clear lenses with orange bulbs that I have to say have given the front end a much cleaner & nicer look. It really appeared dated with those orange lenses and it now has a much more modern appearance IMHO.





Not only that but I replaced all of the shiny, silver Torx fasteners that were used to secure black plastic panels such as upper & lower inner fairing trims, mudguard and a few other bits & pieces with M5 Torx T25 A4 (Marine) Stainless Steel flanged button screws of various lengths which I feel has given an even cleaner appearance to the front end.

I'm on a roll today having been through all my old posts modifying the photo links to get them to display again and I would have posted a couple of videos showing the before vs after of the indicators but they only display as photos so if anybody knows how to drop a video link from Google Drive I'm all ears.

I could I suppose insert a couple of hyperlinks but I was hoping to embed them in this post but for those that may be interested;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jz0N-6XkIo3DfRdZgGkVM0A4lD6gWQoT/view?usp=share_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iYk6zwg1QGoQszQtJRTqKpxFXZFIBX5o/view?usp=share_link

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