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K1200 / K1300 Forum / Re: Intermittent starting
« Last Post by Phmode on Yesterday at 10:55:36 pm »
Ah Bugger! I forgot you threw a hissy fit. And no solenoid with a spray clutch.

So, seat off, tank shrouds off, tank out.

That gives you access to the starter motor. Disconnect cable, remove two bolts and starter motor comes out. 20 minutes so far...

That will let you see where the splined shaft on the end of the starter engages inside the transmission housing. That will show whether there is a damaged tooth somewhere. BUT...

When it spins over but doesn't start and then eventually it does, it 'can't' be a chipped/missing tooth otherwise it would never engage unless you moved the bike with it in gear to move the damaged tooth away from the splined shaft.

My money is now on the sprag clutch thingummy which is somewhere I have never been.
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The Euro K Club Lounge / Re: Another one bites the dust?
« Last Post by Phmode on Yesterday at 10:44:05 pm »
The only reasons I sold my easy to maintain and otherwise bullet-proof rocket ship 1987 Honda CBR1000 F-H in 2012 was there was only one new fork stanchion left on earth and the Dutchdealer was asking €800 even then. That and the rubber carb diaphragms were leaking. They are part of the slider mechanism and can't be replaced. There was a place in the US that remade them for $400. For each slider. That's $1,600 before shipping and taxes.

Running an older modern bike, rather than a classic, is a dodgy affair. You need an injected bike where everything can be rebuilt.
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K1200 / K1300 Forum / Re: Intermittent starting
« Last Post by andym2 on Yesterday at 09:30:45 pm »
According to RepRom you get the idler gear out by removing the clutch basket then undoing the bolt on the end of a short shaft, and the starter free wheel is behind the alternator mounting.

https://ibb.co/5kb5nqB
https://ibb.co/fn3Hv5g

Hard to see exactly where this is from the diagrams, but a lot more disassembly to change either than just swapping a starter motor.

PS I've got a clutch holding tool if you need it.
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The Euro K Club Lounge / Re: Another one bites the dust?
« Last Post by fjtwelve on Yesterday at 08:51:23 pm »
There are so many excellent 20 year old bikes out there that buying new for most of us over 40 is questionable. Those top end sportsbikes you lusted after but couldnt afford in your 20s? For example a good 2005 GSXR 1000 reliably poking out 150 to 160bhp can be had for £5k and goes faster and handles better than most people can handle and is cheaper to maintain . Why would you fork out 15 to 20k for a new bike if the pennies have to be counted?  Even on finance.
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The Euro K Club Lounge / Re: Another one bites the dust?
« Last Post by chriscanning on Yesterday at 08:18:15 pm »
Your post made me smile cuz the salesman said the same,as for me got rid of my MT10 and bought a scooter😜😜
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K1200 / K1300 Forum / Re: Intermittent starting
« Last Post by chriscanning on Yesterday at 08:14:34 pm »
Sensed their was something by the tone of your post and why the dealer took the easy way out cuz my gut says tooth off the starter wring which is going to be a major ball ache compared to putting a new starter in,although while looking at the easy options I’d also go lithium battery if you haven’t already.
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The Euro K Club Lounge / Re: Another one bites the dust?
« Last Post by richtea on Yesterday at 07:59:24 pm »
It's quite simple - we punters are getting old.

The larger bikes are either too expensive for a mere toy, too complex or too heavy for aging gentlefolk. Or all three.
Hence the surge in 400cc sales and Chinese bikes. And the problem there is that their lower price usually equates to a lower proft margin per bike for the dealers. They either shift more units at a lower price - very hard - or go bust.

What will sell is the sub-£10k Honda CB1000 Hornet - it's not riddled with expensive electronics.

My crude value calculation for any bike in 2025 is £100/bhp, as a power-to-cash exchange rate, so £10k for 100bhp, 140bhp for £14k, etc. That makes a K-level of power bike quite a lot - £17.5k.

At 150bhp the Hornet exceeds that £100/bhp by a mile, it will last, it won't depreciate too fast, initial reports say it handles OK, it's a Honda. Winner.

Power obviously isn't everything, this is purely a fun indicator.  ::)
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K1200 / K1300 Forum / Re: Intermittent starting
« Last Post by richtea on Yesterday at 07:31:59 pm »
This discussion on k-bikes is a little scare - so i say book the bugger in soon and use the big K!

EDIT 2: This discussion seems more positive and a happy ending!

Good searching, Matt. Thanks.

The first link is for a K1200RS, but according to this, the K1300S has a 'starter sprag gear':
https://www.k-bikes.com/threads/rebuilding-k1300s-engine-easier-than-youd-think.51708/

From the K1200RS link:
'Many metal fragments from the sprag were throughout the crankcase.'
Since the bike was also serviced and no mention if metal chunks came up, I thint I can tentatively discount that one. With fingers firmly crossed.

The second link is also a K1200RS, but that was solved by cleaning. That would be sweet. I will read further.

The starter is spinning but the teeth on the  starter are not engaging with the flywheel. Show me a picture of the starter from Real OEM whatever (cos I'm idle).

I can't find a suitable picture of the engine in RealOEM.com. This is the starter motor - probably not useful:
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=0508-EUR-09-2015-K40-BMW-K_1300_S_0508,0509_&diagId=12_1358

And this YouTube vid shows the position of the starter motor (between the tank and engine), and it's end:
https://youtu.be/Mq1uwLpJzE4?t=309

Can I digress? Sounds like you have the bike on some kind of BM maintenance thingy or is that me just reading wrong.

Correct - a 5 year/30k plan which was a proper bargain at £210 per service, inc the big ones.
But I cancelled the warranty unfortunately, in a fit of pique at Warwick Shytner doing such a sub-standard bodge job last year. Some you win, some you lose! Hey ho.
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The Euro K Club Lounge / Re: Another one bites the dust?
« Last Post by chriscanning on Yesterday at 07:01:35 pm »
Won’t go into names but in a dealers during the week and remarking that I wondered how they weren’t all freezing their nuts off and they said even that the current temp in the shop the heating bill was £100 a day 😳😳 and they reckoned it cost £350,000 a year just to keep the show on the road,hardly surprising their are so many dealers throwing the towel in.
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K1200 / K1300 Forum / Re: Intermittent starting
« Last Post by chriscanning on Yesterday at 06:47:18 pm »
I have an intermittent problem with starting.

Listen to/watch the video:
www.poqit.com/starter_fail.mp4

It only does this once in a while - maybe every 5th / 10th time. Occasionally (as in the video case) it doesn't start several times in a row.

I took it into BMW to investigate, and they couldn't reproduce it.
I then took it out several times until it failed again and then took it back to BMW. They listend to it (it only failed for about 2 seconds on the BMEW NOG premises and then fired, but that convinced them to replace the starter motor, just before Christmas.

It's taken a while to get back out and ride due to weather, but now I find it's not fixed.

I know the first step is to take it back to BMW, but does anyone have any hints on what else might go wrong - since it's not the motor itself?
(Actually, the ideal first step is to break it permanently so it can be diagnosed properly, but whatever.)

Thanks in advance...

Can I digress? Sounds like you have the bike on some kind of BM maintenance thingy or is that me just reading wrong.

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