Overheating.

[Phmode]

OK. We've eliminated the 'cheap and easy' possible causes (although gawd knows what a new fan would cost  ) so that leaves the much more possible clogged radiator.

Your choice as to whether you strip and see how bad it is or take it to the stealers. They will not do anything to the rad if it isn't too bad to resurrect, they will simply fit a new rad. Let's face it, a couple of snotty tissues chucked out of a car could be all that is making it overheat and papier mache is easy to remove.

When you say 'take it to a BMW specialist' I assume you mean a BMW franchised main dealer. If it needs a new rad you will get a 2 year warranty on the rad and their work will be guranteed in the event of any problems.

PS If the bike is a commuter, the only one you have and is vital for getting you to work, with summer coming it might be better to bite the bullet. As Rae says though, you can always improve the condition of the rad if it isnt' concreted.

[nightrider]

The dealer has agreed to investigate free of charge. I have noticed going through the service book that this bike has had five owners. Three of them in the last year.
You never know Vic the "mechanic" might be right and you lot wrong. "Nowt wrong with that mate,running sweet as a nut"!

[Phmode]

I think if I saw three owners in a year in the log book when I did my due diligence checks I might have run a mile but that's easy to say with hindsight 

[gibbo]

This problem should be sorted by the (dealer) at no cost to nightrider. He should be allowed the chance to repair it to the customers satisfaction.

[Philip]

This problem should be sorted by the (dealer) at no cost to nightrider. He should be allowed the chance to repair it to the customers satisfaction.

Exactamundo gibbo.

From Honest John's website :-

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/consumer-rights

during the first six months:

The consumer returns the goods in the first six months from the date of sale and requests a repair or replacement or a partial refund. In that case, the consumer does not have to prove the goods were faulty at the time of sale. It is assumed that they were. If the retailer does not agree, it is for the retailer to prove that the goods were satisfactory at the time of sale. This comes from Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002, derived from EU Directive 1999/44/EU which became Clauses 48A to 48F inclusive of the Sale of Goods act in April 2003

[raesewell]

This problem should be sorted by the (dealer) at no cost to nightrider. He should be allowed the chance to repair it to the customers satisfaction.

Exactamundo gibbo.

From Honest John's website :-

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/consumer-rights

during the first six months:

The consumer returns the goods in the first six months from the date of sale and requests a repair or replacement or a partial refund. In that case, the consumer does not have to prove the goods were faulty at the time of sale. It is assumed that they were. If the retailer does not agree, it is for the retailer to prove that the goods were satisfactory at the time of sale. This comes from Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002, derived from EU Directive 1999/44/EU which became Clauses 48A to 48F inclusive of the Sale of Goods act in April 2003

I suppose there is no harm in trying that one.
However in those circumstances the dealer will try and fix it as cheap as possible which might well just be a hose down and fingers crossed.

[richtea]

This problem should be sorted by the (dealer) at no cost to nightrider. He should be allowed the chance to repair it to the customers satisfaction.

Agreed.
The main point is you're now armed with decent info to deflect any back-sliding / bullshit.
Tell him about possible crud, and check it with him. And if he wants to check/drain the fluid, you can let him know you know how it's supposed to be done, etc.

Three owners in one year is suspect, unfortunately.
Mine had 3 in 3 years, but I checked as to why first (demo bike, ancient fidget, 1 'normal' owner).
And I crossed my fingers behind my back on shaking hands. 

[Blobby]

It will not be the thermostat, your radiator will be partially blocked and my bet will be, you need a new one.
If you don't need a new radiator come along on the Wrinklies trip and I'll buy you a beer or two 

Not that i have ever experienced this but reading this forum over the years even before this forum when Brian tried to hide from me the evidence points to the radiator.

I think your wallet can stay shut Rae.. 

[TomL]

Don't waste your time get a new rad.  Hang on is there an echo in here.

[raesewell]

It will not be the thermostat, your radiator will be partially blocked and my bet will be, you need a new one.
If you don't need a new radiator come along on the Wrinklies trip and I'll buy you a beer or two 

Not that i have ever experienced this but reading this forum over the years even before this forum when Brian tried to hide from me the evidence points to the radiator.

I think your wallet can stay shut Rae.. 

I already knew that  But if he wants to come along to the Wrinklies trip I'll buy him a commiseration pint 

[nightrider]

The third owner is myself though,still suspicious however.
It makes me feel better knowing that a new radiator is guaranteed for two years. Today was murder the weather was unseasonably hot and it ruined the riding experience.

[raesewell]

You really should get it sorted pronto, it's not good to keep letting the bike get very hot.

[Phmode]

The third owner is myself though,still suspicious however.
It makes me feel better knowing that a new radiator is guaranteed for two years. Today was murder the weather was unseasonably hot and it ruined the riding experience.

I thought you said it had had five owners...

[richtea]

The third owner is myself though,still suspicious however.
It makes me feel better knowing that a new radiator is guaranteed for two years. Today was murder the weather was unseasonably hot and it ruined the riding experience.

I thought you said it had had five owners...

> I have noticed going through the service book that this bike has had five owners. Three of them in the last year.

Let's just call it 'several' owners. Three in the last year is the alarm bell. However, it doesn't solve the problem 

[nightrider]

Yes,it seems that last year the bike had two owners,each only keeping the bike a few months.  I really should have paid more attention, I think they Must have had the same experience.
It can be fixed however. It's just a bit annoying that's all.