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Title: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: steviejuk on September 18, 2019, 09:45:36 am
Just a quick line to say I'll be disappearing soon as I'm moving on from the loveable big lump to a R1250RS. As i'm not the biggest person wheeling it about has always made my eyes bulge a bit, so despite it being brutally effecient at doing what I bought it for (demolishing fast A and B roads across Europe) the time has come to treat myself to something slightly more genteel. Have to say, that that new 1250 motor is the first Boxer motor I've enjoyed - most impressive.
Keep your eyes on Ebay as I'll be shifting some K13 shiney bits next week. Toodle oo
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on September 18, 2019, 10:12:29 am
No need to run away, Stevie, there are plenty of ex-owners still here!

Let us know how you get on with the R1250RS - the comparison would be useful to other members.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Matt on September 18, 2019, 03:20:32 pm
Big time. We have a thriving community of ex-pats! And cow pats!

Also, if you list up your shiny parts (ahem) on here, you can avoid the flipping horrible eBay 10% fee thing, plus PayPal 3.something%. It's all very upsetting.

Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: gibbo on September 19, 2019, 08:47:33 am
Well Stevie, I've been an asylum seeker here for over three years now, and no one has told me to pack my tank bag and head back from whence I came. So I'd stay and give us your expert opinion of the new steed with a piccie of course. You might be a goldmine of info should these K owners opt for a new bike. Keep in touch.

Jon  ;)

Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: steviejuk on September 19, 2019, 09:39:22 am
I'll continue to hover in the background and possibly proffer a (biased, of course) opinion on all things R1250.
I may try to list the K bits and bobs on the for sale section first if I can suss out how to post photos.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on September 19, 2019, 10:04:03 am
I'll continue to hover in the background and possibly proffer a (biased, of course) opinion on all things R1250.
I may try to list the K bits and bobs on the for sale section first if I can suss out how to post photos.

And here's how to post photos:

Google Drive:
https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=3699.0

ImgBB:
https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=2500.0

General cloudy image stuff:
https://eurokclub.bike/index.php?topic=63.0
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: TomL on September 19, 2019, 07:19:52 pm
I've just added a R1250GS Rallye to the stable. Still trying to suss out the wobble wheel, TFT and Nav V1. Looking forward to gettig the first service out of the way after my careful running in. Then I can install the dongle and check out the Pro riding mode.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Phmode on September 20, 2019, 12:31:15 pm
Blimey! You come up on the Eurosqillions then Tom?
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Matt on September 20, 2019, 02:42:46 pm
Does this Pro mode bring the same stuff as on the s1krr? I.e. launch control, put limiter etc?
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: TomL on September 20, 2019, 03:30:03 pm
Does this Pro mode bring the same stuff as on the s1krr? I.e. launch control, put limiter etc?
No it doesn't.

It will become clearer when I try it because at the moment I'm overloaded with information gleaned from the manual with regards to using the TFT and satnav in motion combined with behaving myself with regards to running the bike in.

I think that the Pro mode has more influence on handling when the bike is used off road in Enduro mode. I don't anticipate using it off road and see it more as a comfortable touring bike for places such as Corsica and perhaps Morocco where the chance of doing some gentle off road will be very tempting. It replaces my CCM GP450 Adventure which I kept mainly for trips to Iceland. I've done Iceland three times and great as the place is, I don't anticipate going back there for a while. It also has the capacity to carry camping equipment which would be tricky on the K. It even comes with a top box!!

Blimey! You come up on the Eurosqillions then Tom?
Difficult isn't it? Spend it or leave it?
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: steviejuk on September 20, 2019, 06:46:31 pm
Well, done the deal today so there's now an immaculate K1300 S Sport in Reiten at Glemsford; Delivery of the R December at the mo but there's hope this can be brought forward.
I'll stick my bits and bobs on the Wanted section this weekend before I go the eBay
route so keep those eyes peeled...........
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: steviejuk on September 24, 2019, 01:30:11 pm
Many thanks to Richtea for the advice on photo posting - it was a bit of a cut and paste marathon but finally got it done.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: steviejuk on November 14, 2019, 09:47:28 am
Well, The R1250RS turned up early, and I have finally managed to get out for a first little trundle.
First (non - test ride) comparisions with the K1300:
It may be smaller but its still made of BMW lead and a hefty lump to wheel about; the TFT dash is excellent (best Ive seen) and functuonality comprehensive and requires a bit of homework with the handbook. The motor is a peach - Road mode is ideal for town traffic hell and the full fat dynamic mode gives very little away to the K's turbine like delivery, at least at legal-ish speeds. The motor also has a bit more 'character', in that it doesnt feel like a big electric motor (but then I'm a twin fan, my first boxer though). Oh yes, and its a lot harder to get on the centre stand despite being smaller and (a little) lighter - somebody got their geometry a little off.
All in all, so far I'm dead chuffed. When I've done a bigger ride on it I may have more to say (some hope this year now as they've started gritting the roads around here.......)
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on November 14, 2019, 12:18:25 pm
Thanks for the update, Stevie. Sounds like a good (but heavy) choice!
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Matt on November 14, 2019, 07:04:14 pm
Ok FINE I'll try one in the spring ;)
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: TomL on November 14, 2019, 10:28:53 pm
Hi Stevie. Did you get your bike from Reiten Motorrad?

I would have got my R1250GS from Reiten Motorrad but they could not offer me a trade in on the CCM. Our favourite ride heads out that way through Newport, Thaxted, Finchingfield, Weathersfield and Sudbury.

I'm well pleased with the 1250. So different to the early boxer engines. In a way with the shift cam it doesn't even feel like a boxer.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on November 14, 2019, 11:05:57 pm
OK, what's a shift cam?

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Andym535 on November 15, 2019, 07:36:52 am
German English for VTEC.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on November 15, 2019, 09:19:37 am
Ah!

To paraphrase the presenter below, '...it's like the love child of a camshaft and a gearbox'!

Good explanation here, with swearing in (mostly) the right places:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tYMiAnQfU

A motor under each cam cover? Crazy....
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Andym535 on November 15, 2019, 10:21:20 am
The Honda version uses oil pressure to activate a separate cam follower under the high lift cam lobes. It's proved to be pretty bullet proof in millions of VTEC engines. I had an S2000 and the VTEC engine in that was superb.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2019, 11:21:15 am
Ah!

To paraphrase the presenter below, '...it's like the love child of a camshaft and a gearbox'!

Good explanation here, with swearing in (mostly) the right places:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tYMiAnQfU

A motor under each cam cover? Crazy....

Ah that video was great! Pretty impressive, and yes, surprising/worrying that there's a motor living in a motor!

Oh well, not like i'll ever run a BMW bike without warranty! :,(
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: chriscanning on November 15, 2019, 11:56:49 am
The Honda version uses oil pressure to activate a separate cam follower under the high lift cam lobes. It's proved to be pretty bullet proof in millions of VTEC engines. I had an S2000 and the VTEC engine in that was superb.

Used to have great fun with a mate who numerous VFR’s when travelling Europe on the motorways cruising close too 100mph cuz I knew the VTEC would be kicking in and out driving him nuts  ;)

See for what ever reason BM have decided not to fit such in the new X/R.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: black-k1 on November 15, 2019, 12:01:10 pm
The Honda version uses oil pressure to activate a separate cam follower under the high lift cam lobes. It's proved to be pretty bullet proof in millions of VTEC engines. I had an S2000 and the VTEC engine in that was superb.

Used to have great fun with a mate who numerous VFR’s when travelling Europe on the motorways cruising close too 100mph cuz I knew the VTEC would be kicking in and out driving him nuts  ;)

See for what ever reason BM have decided not to fit such in the new X/R.

:D Now that sounds like a fun game. We need to know the speed at which the shift cam engages for a GS and an RS when in top. That'll be the perfect speed to set my cruise control!!! :D  8)
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on November 15, 2019, 12:14:22 pm
See for what ever reason BM have decided not to fit such in the new X/R.

When you have cylinders sticking out the side you've got more room to play with, maybe?
I imagine there's a bit less space in a straight four for that bloomin' leccy motor in the head. Crazy, but mighty impressive.

I daren't think of the cost if (when?) it goes wrong. Normally these things are driven mechanically or, like Andy says, by some fluid, and that's something you can look at and say 'the seal needs replacing', 'the bearings are worn - replace them', etc. Electricity is a step beyond - it works or it doesn't. Maybe it's a replaceable part - a new leccy motor every 30k or something. Or there's a failsafe position for the pins.

Anyway, Stevie is going to give it a thorough test for us.  ;D
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: chriscanning on November 15, 2019, 12:38:40 pm
I presume with above logic you drive A35 then  :)

Oh and shift cam is already in the RR.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on November 15, 2019, 01:00:09 pm
One of these tyre-shredders, you mean?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/A35-59.png)

There's probably someone out there that has squeezed a VTEC to one!
Here's a Mini with one - it's tight - tighter than a leccy motor inside a cam cover:
http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=212291&country=uk

(https://car-from-uk.com/ebay/carphotos/full/ebay147424360866848.jpg)



> Oh and shift cam is already in the RR.
Well spotted. So there is room in a tight 4.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: steviejuk on November 15, 2019, 01:01:30 pm
It most certainly did come from Reiten - They offered me strong money on the K and  have been great to deal with. I can't reccomend them highly enough. They are lucky to be in the middle of some lovely riding roads. As for the shift cam, I believe its proven car tech thats trickled down - also, it is engaged by the ECU determined by engine speed, throttle angle, day of the week(!) etc, so its not at a predeterimed point. It seems to work - it goes like no boxer Beemer motor I've ever ridden. There may be some fly by wire throttle magic going on but the bottom and mid punch is surprising. I hope the only testing I do of it is to prove how reliable it is.........
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: chriscanning on November 15, 2019, 01:11:13 pm
The elephant in the room is the TUV it’s because of that we get all these things look in MotoGP(currently watching) or WSB and there’s very little although BM have it in their RR but currently unable to get it to last the required number of races.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2019, 02:35:22 pm
See for what ever reason BM have decided not to fit such in the new X/R.

When you have cylinders sticking out the side you've got more room to play with, maybe?
I imagine there's a bit less space in a straight four for that bloomin' leccy motor in the head. Crazy, but mighty impressive.

I daren't think of the cost if (when?) it goes wrong. Normally these things are driven mechanically or, like Andy says, by some fluid, and that's something you can look at and say 'the seal needs replacing', 'the bearings are worn - replace them', etc. Electricity is a step beyond - it works or it doesn't. Maybe it's a replaceable part - a new leccy motor every 30k or something. Or there's a failsafe position for the pins.

Anyway, Stevie is going to give it a thorough test for us.  ;D

Though at least labour will be cheap as the cylinders don't need much moving to get access... and yeah, surely when it does die it fails nice and not explosionee!
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: TomL on November 15, 2019, 04:14:42 pm
Ah!

To paraphrase the presenter below, '...it's like the love child of a camshaft and a gearbox'!

Good explanation here, with swearing in (mostly) the right places:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tYMiAnQfU

A motor under each cam cover? Crazy....
The explanation was okay until he started to say how they should have designed it.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: richtea on November 15, 2019, 06:11:00 pm

The explanation was okay until he started to say how they should have designed it.


I think his pea-like works the same as mine - how do I avoid the electric bit, and keep it fully mechanical?
Old skool thinking obvs (and wrong - but no change there, eh!).
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Andym535 on November 15, 2019, 06:44:35 pm
We'll all have electric motors soon enough. The mention of a Mini reminded me of something a Chap at work told me about Mini tuning. Apparently one option is to fit the head from a K engine (not sure which one, maybe a K100) which will fit onto the BMC Mini block with only minor machining.
Title: Re: Goodbye to the Big K
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2019, 07:41:02 pm
Ah!

To paraphrase the presenter below, '...it's like the love child of a camshaft and a gearbox'!

Good explanation here, with swearing in (mostly) the right places:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tYMiAnQfU

A motor under each cam cover? Crazy....
The explanation was okay until he started to say how they should have designed it.

Hah I did grimace at that point too! But it wasn't quite as bad as it could have been.