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General forum area => K1200 / K1300 Forum => Topic started by: MikeTuckwood on November 07, 2016, 06:42:42 pm
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Has anybody fitted, or know of anywhere detailing the fitting of the BMW quickshifter from a K1300 S onto a 2011 reg K1300 GT EE?
Or whether it's possible or not at all....
In that they are pretty much the same engine and (I assume) ECU and drivetrain Etc, I'm wondering if like on many modern cars, unused facilities, plugs and looms Etc are still there but just not utilised...
Mike.
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Interesting idea - I have a K1300GT and rode a S1000R as a loan bike with quick shift.
But - I suspect the ECU programming might be different and flashing a new code will be the issue, even if the physical connectors etc. are there. Plus the gear lever is different from the S and attaching the quick shift will be another problem.
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Yes, I'm looking for firm absolute answers though to be fair. I could also suspect that everything is there but just not enabled on this model requiring only hardware and some connections and enabling at the dealer Etc?
Mike.
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Best to ask your local friendly BMW dealer.
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Here is the formal reply fm my mechanic, canbus system is deferent and has no option for the quickshifter, cables connecting zdf unit with o2 and file sensors do not have the extra pairs to receive electromagnetic pulse fm the shifter module. ECU lacks the e-circuit to read it.
In conclusion the quick shifter is not possible to be connected to a GT bike simply cause the bike's modules cannot read it.
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Yes, I'm looking for firm absolute answers though to be fair. I could also suspect that everything is there but just not enabled on this model requiring only hardware and some connections and enabling at the dealer Etc?
Mike.
I am 100% confident in saying that a stock 1300S quickshifter will NOT work. The gearshift control works the other way round (on upshifts GT pulls down , S pushes up). Yeah ok, if you can change the gear control housing/ levers and graft S footrests and gear lever on then I suppose its possible. My advice, buy an S.
Oh, and that was before I saw Costas reply ref electrics, so that should seal it.
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OK, I'll chase this one down locally, I wonder if there are elements missing from the "S" ECU that appear on the GT?
Quite right Timbox, that the linkage mechanism reversal issue is a mechanical issue that I can resolve without any problems. The elements Costas highlights are...... Disappointing. :'(
Mke. 8)
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We all have or wishes and wants, but a quickshifter on a road bike is as said before a gimmick too far. We have a top class engineer around here that used to build all Terry Becketts Tuned race bike stroker engines, he also worked for Spondon engineering and is renowned for his crankshaft rebuild work and re sleeving and fork straightening you name it this 70 plus year old can do it, like Ron Haslam another of his mates and I quote them both " A quick shifter damages engines and gear boxes" OK on a track bike as they need frequent rebuilds anyway. Just because it is available and "others have one" does not mean mean it is a good idea.
The advice by those that know is plain to understand, take it or leave it.
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We all have or wishes and wants, but a quickshifter on a road bike is as said before a gimmick too far. We have a top class engineer around here that used to build all Terry Becketts Tuned race bike stroker engines, he also worked for Spondon engineering and is renowned for his crankshaft rebuild work and re sleeving and fork straightening you name it this 70 plus year old can do it, like Ron Haslam another of his mates and I quote them both " A quick shifter damages engines and gear boxes" OK on a track bike as they need frequent rebuilds anyway. Just because it is available and "others have one" does not mean mean it is a good idea.
The advice by those that know is plain to understand, take it or leave it.
I think Simon, that Mike thinks if he keeps asking the question he may get a different answer. Or it may be a challenge to him to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist at any cost.
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;D
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Haha, so many assumptions.
I was looking for facts. For the last 15 years plus, I have been building high performance engines and tuning solutions, including 500 600 and higher horsepower 2.0L and 2.5L turbocharged performance cars, from the ground up, regularly having to manufacture myself individual components and solutions to accompany them. And yes, I own my own garage involved in not only day to day diagnostics and engine/suspension work Etc but high end performance bespoke work too, most of which is done "in house".
I'm not having a dig at anyone at all, I was looking for facts. Plain and simple. I wasn't looking for smart arse pointlessly and to ZERO help, telling me in anorak style that my profile doesn't list my bike spec so might cause unnecessary scrolling, when I posted my bike spec only 4 posts earlier!!!
I don't need anyone promoting old wives tales about wear rates with a quick shifter fitted either, the same quickshifters which are common on many modern well engineered motorcycles. Some of which are on Almost identical component fitted "sister" bikes. I'm more aware than most of you as to a great extent this is an area I am a skilled professional in already.
I've been coming at this from multiple angles in the hope that somebody might already have the answer, (which has mostly been answered in my other thread by Costas).
I don't need anyone decided whether I'm looking for an answer that doesn't exist, if necessary, I'm more than capable of producing a working solution to most of these issues, but I'm a busy man and was pursuing this to avoid "re-inventing the wheel" so to speak.
There is a VERY simple measure of whether there has been any need to comment at all on this thread.... Ask yourself, have I contributed positively to furnishing the information requested by this poster?
If the answer is no, then why the hell are you commenting at all.... I mean FFS guys, Me asking is it possible does NOT warrant anyone questioning whether I ought to be even considering it at all really now..... does it.
If you've got nothing positive to contribute here why are you commenting at all, if you've got nothing to contribute, don't just slip back to trolling!
Some of you really do need to sit back and ask yourself "do I need to post in this thread again?"
Mike. (y)
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Do you really need to keep asking the same question when you've been told it can't be done?
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I've not kept asking the same question, I've asked for detail facts indicating why it can't be done. Information from only ine source so far suggests 9with some supporting information why it might not be able to be done, which I will additionally research to see if that information is valid.
I've spoken to me local BMW main dealer today, their senior tech HASN'T ruled it out, based on my chassis VIN Etc and has asked me to go in so they can check the Electronics, particularly the memory input and the onboard retro fit list....
So, far from that SINGLE source supplying some inf, through the normal research process required for this and most other things, the jury is far from out at this stage.
I hope that doesn't upset anyone too much.....
Mike.
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Putting previous posts aside Mike, why do you want to do this? I sometimes see things as a challenge when I'm told something cannot be done. I have succeeded in the past with things that cannot be done but it normally costs be far more money that to project is worth.
In your case quick shifters are normally associated with race bikes and having had a K1200GT the GT is far from a race bike, so what are your plans?
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Well, motivation to do it.... that's a bit of a mixed bag really so I'll happily show my reasoning Etc.
I rarely if ever, use my clutch on upshifts anyway, it's pretty much redundant going up the box in 99% of normal use for me, clutchless upshifts being routinely 100% clean and effortless.
Coming down the box is a WHOLE different story! Needing concentration and differing actions dependant on gearbox loads and speeds Etc.
"It's not a race bike"..... not per se it's not, but my riding is predominantly me only with empty panniers other than a few essentials, and very few of my rides are below the level of spirited. ;)
If I had the choice, I'd have either an S1000RR sport, or an RSV4 (SE or RF), my issue is, that to swap out my bike for one of those, I would be giving away far more than I was gaining. The bike is blisteringly fast with consumate ease.
I like to tinker and improve things and when someone passed me on a K1300S using the quick shifter, It even sounded slick. So it's a combination of all of those things put together.
Of course, if it looks like the BMW factory kit cant be accommodated or adapted/modified to work (within a sensible budget), the research element will lead me to that conclusion. If it can be doe for less than the cost of a power commander and associated extras and quick shift, then I'll move forward with it.
As for suitability, or reasoning for it, clearly BMW also concede that it would be helpful, as it's on the options list for the new model K1600 GT.
Mike.
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Interesting. I'm sure you will let us know the outcome. You could always go for an FJR auto ;D ;D
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Haha....
I "upgraded" to the GT from an FJR, which was also impressive. but this seriously moves the game on a whole couple of levels. particularly with the power/torque.
I still think that the GT could with the additional power and torque, would have benefitted from the 5 speed box that the FJR runs.
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I went from a 12GT to the FJR and for what I want it for I think the FJR is everything the GT should have been. The BMW extended warranty is worth it's weight in gold, over the four or so years I had the GT and numerous warranty claims I was about £1300 up on the deal.
Two clutches two sets of ball joints complete cam chain and assembly etc. etc.
Steve Parry has a GT that is like Triggs broom.
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Luck of the draw I guess.... MY FJR died (alternator failed) while I was in Spain.... On a motorway, in 80C ambient temps, on a bank Holiday. :(
The 13 has been trouble free other than a left hand switch gear swapped under warranty, fairly early on. I've had it a little over 4 years....
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I may have misunderstood the requirements but I don't think the K1300S quick shifter would deliver even if it was possible to fit it. The K1300S does not have the quick shifter Pro thus it doesn't "do" downshifts, only up-shifts. I know you can do clutch less downshifts on the K1300S (as I do them about 40% of the time) but they are very limited, can easily go wrong and don't really help things over clutched shifts.
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I've not kept asking the same question, I've asked for detail facts indicating why it can't be done. Information from only ine source so far suggests 9with some supporting information why it might not be able to be done, which I will additionally research to see if that information is valid.
I've spoken to me local BMW main dealer today, their senior tech HASN'T ruled it out, based on my chassis VIN Etc and has asked me to go in so they can check the Electronics, particularly the memory input and the onboard retro fit list....
So, far from that SINGLE source supplying some inf, through the normal research process required for this and most other things, the jury is far from out at this stage.
I hope that doesn't upset anyone too much.....
Mike.
Change imediately garage, that man has no clue about it.
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The K series quickshifter only works on upshifts...
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Sorry, someone's already said that!
I should read these things properly.
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Why would you wanna be different?
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Indeed LOL...
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My quickshifter only works on upshifts. ;)
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That's it, yer banned!