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Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« on: May 31, 2024, 10:25:18 am »
By 'this', I mean closing the throttle on the way into a corner...I mean, slow in, fast out by all means. But closing the throttle?

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2024, 11:03:22 am »
I'll let you know in a few days. I've no idea what I do but I'm sure it's wrong!

Watching the video, it's the outcome of weighting the front they're after. So on something like a GS or my V twin with its strong engine braking, I'm going to get more weight transfer to the front wheel at, say, 10% throttle, than something like a s1000rr with no throttle and a touch of brakes.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2024, 02:20:59 pm »
I close it completely (on good corners). That's why you're always running up the back of me.  :o :o :o

Having said that, my weakness is to not re-engage the throttle quite as early as I should for the 'positive throttle' through the middle of the  bend. I'm sometimes 0.25 second late or so. But luckily no examiner has been close enough to notice. Yet.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2024, 03:34:13 pm »
I close it completely.  The video does talk about transferring skills from track to road.  On track, one of my goals for this year is to improve trail braking more or less up to the corner apex.  For road riding, corner entry on a closed throttle seems like a less extreme version of the same thing, and brings the same benefits.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2024, 07:53:30 pm »
I close it completely (on good corners). That's why you're always running up the back of me.  :o :o :o

I run up the back of you even when I am on the brakes and you're not. I put it down to inverse inertia, have such mass that your gravity interacts with the earth to slow you down even more than my brakes slow me.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2024, 05:12:44 pm »
I close it completely.  The video does talk about transferring skills from track to road.  On track, one of my goals for this year is to improve trail braking more or less up to the corner apex.  For road riding, corner entry on a closed throttle seems like a less extreme version of the same thing, and brings the same benefits.

The down side of trail braking is the decreased grip whilst leant over (see nice 'tyre grip trade-off' pic on p105 of Roadcraft), so for the road it's safest to do the vast majority of your braking upright/near upright. Then sling it in, with a bit of 'positive' throttle to push the back tyre down for increased tyre grip, then gun it roll the throttle on smoothly when you see the limit point moving away.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2024, 09:06:51 pm »
So what do I do then? You've watched my riding. I shut the the throttle but I don't know if its completely, and trail brake ( I only recently found out walking this was, I've done it for years without realising it was a thing)

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't do this?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2024, 10:02:24 pm »
So what do I do then? You've watched my riding. I shut the the throttle but I don't know if its completely, and trail brake ( I only recently found out walking this was, I've done it for years without realising it was a thing)

You're 4 bloody minutes ahead by then - who knows!
In anyone else Id say it's panic braking.