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3M Scotchlite 680
« on: March 03, 2016, 10:17:23 pm »
Hardly bling, but this hi-vis 'black in daylight, retro-reflective white in direct light' makes anything wearing it, or coverd in it, shine like a shitten back door in the moonlight as my dear old mother might not have said.

So, here's the question, has anyone used this on things like the back of their Sport Cases or panniers to make them show up in headlights?

And, more to the point, is it legal to show white retro-reflections to the rear and will it stop the eejits from seeing my brake lights, tail lights etc?

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2016, 10:29:39 pm »
Have a read:-

The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989

PART IIREGULATIONS GOVERNING THE FITTING OF LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS AND DEVICES
Colour of light shown by lamps and reflectors

11.—(1) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing a red light to the front, except–

(a)a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;

(b)a side marker lamp or a side retro reflector;

(c)retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of–

(i)a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;

(ii)a solo motor bicycle or a motor bicycle combination; or

(iii)an invalid carriage; or

(d)a traffic sign.

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except–

(a)amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;

(b)white light from a reversing lamp;

(c)white light from a work lamp;

(d)light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;

(e)light from an illuminated rear registration plate;

(f)light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;

(g)in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a route indicator;

(h)blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;

(i)white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;

(j)green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;

(k)blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;

(l)amber light from a warning beacon fitted to–

(i)a road clearance vehicle;

(ii)a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting refuse;

(iii)a breakdown vehicle;

(iv)a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any trailer drawn by such a vehicle;

(v)a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding 2.9 m;

(vi)a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining, improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental to any such use;

(vii)a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing, maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any such use;

(viii)a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of the Act;

(ix)a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed not exceeding 25 mph;

(x)a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the purpose of testing fuels;

(xi)a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;

(xii)a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in exercise of a statutory power or duty;

(m)green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration);

(n)yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at airports;

(o)light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a vehicle;

(p)reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;

(q)reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of–

(i)a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;

(ii)a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or

(iii)an invalid carriage;

(r)reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road clearance vehicle;

(s)reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;

(t)reflected light from yellow retro reflective material incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B of Schedule 19 and fitted to–

(i)a motor vehicle having a maximum gross weight exceeding 7500 kg;

(ii)a motor vehicle first used before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 3000 kg;

(iii)a trailer having a maximum gross weight exceeding 3500 kg;

(iv)a trailer manufactured before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 1000 kg;

(v)a trailer which forms part of a combination of vehicles one of which is of a type mentioned in a previous item of this sub-paragraph;

(vi)a load carried by any vehicle; or

(u)reflected light from orange retro reflective material incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances (Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations 1981(1) or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in Packages etc) Regulations 1986(2)
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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2016, 10:36:22 pm »
Yeah! But can I use white retro-reflective panels on the back of my bike?

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 12:06:28 pm »
Brian,
I used a Wunderlich product sold by Nippy Normans for the pannier rears on my K13GT - Reflective pannier film - R1200R/RT/S/ST,K1200GT/1300GT - Part No: WUN-25100-000. Dull grey appearance in ambient light, and then a bright silver in the dark when it reflects the light. Good and easy to apply.  :)

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 12:57:22 pm »
Brian,
I used a Wunderlich product sold by Nippy Normans for the pannier rears on my K13GT - Reflective pannier film - R1200R/RT/S/ST,K1200GT/1300GT - Part No: WUN-25100-000. Dull grey appearance in ambient light, and then a bright silver in the dark when it reflects the light. Good and easy to apply.  :)

Yup, that's the very same stuff!



There have been so many rear-enders on here recently (why can't folks type more carefully  ??? ) that I am looking various hi-viz solutions.

My concern is the lighting regs. I have seen lots of bikes with red dayglo on the back of their panniers and whilst that works it looks like Captain Sensible wafting down the road in front of you and I wouldn't want to look like that.

I was hoping there was a black version that showed red when lit but can't find anything.

Brian (who could just ride fast and not let anyone get behind him  8) )

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2019, 06:55:59 pm »
After seeing this tread I looked online and found a set for my bike and ordered them.

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2019, 10:07:19 pm »
Yeah! But can I use white retro-reflective panels on the back of my bike?

It needs to reflect red on if on the rear, in the UK.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/3/made
Near the bottom...

3) Material designed primarily to reflect light is, when reflecting light, to be treated for the purposes of these Regulations as showing a light, and material capable of reflecting an image is not, when reflecting the image of a light, to be so treated.

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2019, 11:47:15 pm »

It needs to reflect red on if on the rear, in the UK.

Unless it's a number plate, in which case it can/must be yellow. I did think a numberplate with the letters and numbers cut from ScotchLite 680 might be handy, say in case someone tried to photograph your bike using a flashgun.

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2019, 11:58:25 pm »
Previous owner simply glued rectangular red reflectors to the back of my panniers.
I left them on as I doubt they would come off cleanly, and they must add some safety.

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Re: 3M Scotchlite 680
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